How to Ground Your Body More Safely

Grounding (also called “earthing”) is a great practice; it’s an incredibly important tool in your EMF protection arsenal. And I *know* that a lot of you use products to ground your bodies– or have at least thought about it. And others of you use grounding tools to ground your EMF protection products, like canopies and painted walls.

But there are hazards in grounding– hazards that stem from your electrical wiring and the power grid. Fortunately, there are ways to ground your body more safely. And *that’s* what we cover in this webinar, recorded on March 3, 2022.

And to present this webinar, we’re very fortunate to have Andrew McAfee. Andrew is an EMF mitigation expert from Raleigh, North Carolina who runs the Home EMF Tracing consultancy. After becoming electrically sensitive in 2001, Andrew was fortunate to have Charles Keen and Karl Riley as his early mentors.

Beginning in 2010 Andrew successfully petitioned the NC Utility Commission to order Duke Energy to provide a no-cost, non-emitting meter for its customers. And he was featured in a 2014 TIME docu-film “Searching for a Golden Cage” about electro-sensitivity and as a presenter in the 2021 web course “Staying Healthy in a 5G World.” 

The webinar discusses the features and benefits of the NCB from SYB.



R Blank 0:06
Oh, there we go. Okay, so thank you so much, everyone for turning out tonight for tonight’s si B webinar, the first of 2022 the hazard in touching, grounded objects and what you can do about it. Quick reminder, as you’re watching the presentation, you may have questions, when you do, please type them into the q&a pod at the bottom of your screen, there should be a little button that says q&a, type your questions in there, if you type them into the chat pod, they’ll probably be lost by the time we get to that part of the session. So very briefly, today’s outline, we’ll start with a brief intro of myself. That’ll be very, very quick, then we’ll get into the main learning that’ll take about 25 to 30 minutes, and I will present information on the hazard with grounding. And then I will bring in our special guest tonight, Andrew McAfee to talk about the way to ground healthier than I’ll give you all, all of you here live in attendance tonight a special offer, and then we will have a q&a session. So very briefly about me. For those of you who don’t know, my name is R blank. I’m the CEO of shield your body and the host of the healthier tech podcast, formerly served on the faculty of the University of Southern California Viterbi School of Engineering. And along with my father, Dr. Martin Blanc, co authored overpowered on the science of EMF health effects. And this all follows a 20 year career in, in software engineering. So to kick things off tonight, I wanted to start with a picture. And this is a photo of a product that si B produced in 2017. And it is a grounding yoga mat. And wait, I hear you all saying I didn’t realize si B released a grounding yoga mat. And that’s because we didn’t. And we don’t see right before launch after we had everything done. Even as you see this photoshoot, I learned of some potential questions around possible side effects of grounding. So I pulled the product from the market. Fast forward a couple of years now it’s in this photo, it’s 2020. And what you see there on the left is is my si B bed canopy. And what you see on the right is a feature I did not include in the bed canopy. Right that is a grounding snap. And a lot of EMF protection canopies come with this feature. In contrast, I made the intentional decision not to include this feature on my canopies. Why? Because of the same concerns I just told you about. I thought including this feature would make customers think that they needed to ground their canopy. And I didn’t want them to think that if customers contact my support team, we explain this. And then we also explain how they can ground their canopies if they wish to. But we did not include this feature. So the question is why? What was I so concerned about when it comes to grounding? Well, that’s what we’re going to talk about today. Because at the time I made those product decisions, I didn’t fully understand all of the issues involved. Not until I met today’s guest, Andrew McAfee, who is a real expert in this stuff. And what happened was Cathy cook si B’s in house EMF specialist who many of you know, she was aware of my concerns about these products. And then one day she and I are talking and she tells me there’s this guy, you should talk to Andrew McAfee. And that was 15 months ago. And here we are today. But let me step back a moment. In some ways, grounding, also called earthing is a simple topic. The whole point is to put your body in direct contact with the earth surface. walk barefoot on Park grass on beach sand. Doing this helps you discharge positive ionization that you accumulate from all your EMF exposure modern life and it enables you to absorb the Earth’s own natural electromagnetic field, the Schumann resonance, and there are a lot of benefits to grounding, you will feel less stressed after just a few minutes. And grounding in a safe area also neutralizes free radicals in our bodies and reduces inflammation.

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But a lot of us can’t ground into nature, at least not as much as we would like to. So we buy grounding products like grounding mats or grounding sheets. And even those of us who don’t own or use any grounding or earthing products actually do still use grounding. Because any product that we own that has a three prong plug, that third prong is the ground plug. It performs grounding, not for your body, but for your electronics and your devices in your appliances, which is intended to make the electrical wiring of our various products safer. So even if you don’t think you use grounding you do but grounding has some risks risks you might not know about. Those risks include contact current, dirty electricity and electric fields. Now I know some of you may not be aware of all of these terms, particularly the first one contact current. So let me try to explain them for you one at a time. And we’ll start with contact current. So what is contact current contact, also sometimes called Touch current, or electrical currents we are exposed to when we touch certain appliances and devices. And it turns out that we are being exposed to this force all the time. Again, whenever we touch anything associated with our home grounding system, that’s called contact current. Where does it come from? Well, here on this slide is one example. Right? Many appliances like dryers, and ranges come from the factory with the neutral bonded to the appliance frame. And that’s a big mistake. And it’s a mistake that most manufacturers electricians don’t even care about. They don’t even realize it’s a mistake. There are many more mistakes made and outlets and sub panels that current onto the grounding system. And Andrew, our guest speaker will talk more about this later in the presentation. So we’re all used to signs like, beware high voltage, warning, high voltage, we’re all used to worrying about voltage. But while everyone has been focused on protecting against voltage, it is current that kills. And we all know this, it’s how the electric chair works. Even the US government says current causes cancer, and it’s super low levels lower than what you get when you touch almost any grounding, grounded appliance or grounding product. So we are being exposed to harmful current all the time. Why is current so harmful? Well, to understand what current is, imagine how much energy it would take to rip an electron off of an atom. Because that’s what the flow of current is, it is the flow of electrons. So here we see a video demonstrating this right, where three cells and electrons are jumping from one to the other. That is the electrical flow of current. And you see that it’s ripping electrons from one cell and sending them to another.

And when electricity flows through you, that’s taking electrons from cells and ripping them out. Now many of us are aware of the term ionizing radiation. Those are the forms of EMF that have so much energy that they rip electrons from your cells. These are forms of EMF called X rays, and gamma rays. And everyone acknowledges these are super harmful, even in incredibly low doses, right. That’s why whenever you get a dental X ray, they cover you in a lead jacket, and the technician literally leaves the room. That is how harmful these are. And that ionizing radiation is considered to be so harmful even in low doses, because it is ripping electrons from your cells. And that is the same thing that current the flow of current through your body does. So how much contact current is harmful? Now, that’s a very good question. And to help answer that, we’re going to look at this report. In the early 1990s, the US Congress wanted to better understand the source of childhood leukemia. So they funded the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, right, that’s a division of the National Institutes of Health or NIH, and they funded them to study that question. And the very, very, very long report that they produced had one very important number. And that number is one millivolt per meter. Right. So the government here is saying that there’s a threshold of harm, there is a threshold after which you start to see incidents of childhood leukemia. But the value is unintelligible not just to you and me, but actually to people who really know this stuff, it is hard to understand what one millivolt per meter means. So, fortunately, the Electrical Power Research Institute, which is formed by and for the power companies in the 1970s, did the research and experimentation and published their report on what one millivolt per meter meant in real world applications. And keep in mind every is an industry group. It’s not like it’s a health advocacy group. This is the definition of big power. So what did epi conclude the one millivolt per meter number meant? One micro amp. Okay, so, how small is a micro amp? Well, we’re all familiar or many of us are familiar with the term AAM, which is short for ampere. We see that a lot when it comes to electrical, electrical and plumbing. So we’re all familiar with the term of an amp here. What is a micro amp? Well, it’s 1,000,000th of an amp. Right? So let’s pretend a micro amp is $1. Bill, how many dollar bills would it take to create a single amp? 1 million. So if we think of an amp, like a million dollars, that helps show just how small a single micro amp is, that is the threshold of harm. It is so low, when are you exposed to it? Well, all of the time. And to help demonstrate this. I’m going to show this video that Andrew recorded, and it shows how much current there is on our grounding systems in our home and in the electrical system grid in general.

Okay, so I’m just trying to stop a freeze frame on the actual display. There, okay, so here we see 8.9. This is micro amps, not milliamps. So that is at 900 times greater than the threshold of harm, and that is

Andrew McAfee 11:18
milliamps, not micro amps.

R Blank 11:20
Right. Oh, sorry, thank you. 8.9 milliamps, not micro amps. So that’s at 900 times greater than the threshold of harm. And that was on I believe, his washing machine. If we go a little further. Now he’s connecting to devices. And we see 13 Mike milliamps, so that is 13,000 times greater. And that was when touching both the stove and the dishwasher at the same time, that is 13,000 times greater than the threshold of harm, right 13,000 times greater than what was found to have been associated with carcinogenic agents. So we regularly experience levels in excess of one micro amp, just from touching grounded appliances, and devices. And that includes when we use grounding products. Next up, we have dirty electricity. Now, that’s a term that many people know. But even so a lot of people don’t really know what it is. And we’re not going to go into detail here. But I will try to kind of summarize and explain that. See, you see this nice, clean red wave here, right? That’s what electricity is supposed to look like when it gets delivered from the power station. The term dirty electricity refers to variations, these are spikes and surges in the voltage and frequency. And these come from all the stuff that we have plugged in to the grid, particularly things with motors like blenders and things with power inverters like cell phone chargers, right. But all this stuff plugged into the grid right turns this nice clean electricity into dirty electricity, which, which then flows through all of our electrical wiring. Now, dirty electricity is a big topic with a lot of information. And we don’t have time to get into all of it here today. So if you’re interested in learning more about where it comes from, just visit the link you see here on the screen that shield your body comm slash dirty dash electricity. We have a lot of information up there on this force. Now. What does dirty electricity do to us? Well, to help answer that, I’m going to turn to this book by Dr. Sam Milam and it’s called Dirty electricity. And in this book, and in other published studies, Dr. Milam advocates that the electrification of our lives has led to an epidemic of what he refers to as the diseases of civilization. These are diseases that did not occur in populations until they were exposed to EMF from the electrical grid. These diseases of civilization include Alzheimer’s, infertility, depression, heart disease, and Lou Gehrig’s disease. And they also include childhood leukemia, again, which was the subject of that original report that I brought up several slides ago, Dr. Sam Mellon was able to show how the incidence of these diseases and increases in the death rate correlated with the onset of electrification independent of where occurred in the country. So what I’m saying there, right, is when electrification rolled out, because it didn’t happen when the country got electricity, got the power grid, it didn’t just happen all at once it happened in one place, then it happened in another and then in another and so forth, right? So when it happened in one place, these diseases started to occur there. And then when it happened, in another place, these diseases started to occur there. And Dr. Milam was further able to show that these diseases did not occur in areas that never received electrification among those populations such as the Amish. And just like with contact currents, unfortunately, dirty electricity flows to our grounding products as well like our grounding mats and our grounding sheets. Finally, we have electric fields. Electric fields are a type of EMF, it’s right there in the name right electromagnetic fields, it’s electro electric fields. EMF is made up of both electrical and magnetic forces. When we talk about radiation from wireless devices, like cell phones or Wi Fi, we talk about EMF as a single force. So we measure the EMF from a cell phone for example, and get a single number. But as we look at the lower frequency types of EMF, right, the stuff that happens down here,

these types of EMF emitted by power lines and appliances, EMF is considered as two separate forces, first electric fields, and separately magnetic fields. So electric fields are a type of EMF, and they are type that are emitted by power lines, wiring, and appliances, and electric fields are radiated off of anything plugged into an outlet. So once again, you’re being exposed to electric fields, not only from your appliances, but also anything plugged into your power outlets, including grounding products like grounding mats. So there you have it, three different risks that come from grounding. These are all risks from our electrical wiring that flow into our grounding products, giving us increased exposure when we use these tools to ground our bodies, contact current dirty electricity, and electric fields. So what can we do? Is the situation hopeless? Do we have to give up grounding? Well, the good news is not any more. And to explain this further, I am thrilled to welcome Andrew McAfee to the webinar. Hi, Andrew,

Andrew McAfee 17:03
our thank you so very much for having me here. I really appreciate the time and the opportunity. So let me get my screen set up here.

R Blank 17:10
Let me turn off my sharing and then hand it over to you. Alright, so there you go. Alright, good. Alright, let’s

Andrew McAfee 17:37
take all this stuff off of here. Excuse me, let me take this back. Okay. So thank you for having me are Andrew McAfee, my website home EMF tracing.com. Yes, I am electrically sensitive. And many of you probably know what that means. Basically, you become allergic to electricity, basically, your body just starts rejecting it. It’s too much, you know, hitting you over the head with a hammer saying you got to recognize this, your rational mind is not working here. You’re exposing yourself to something. And I have done a number of small booklets to try to explain this to electricians and other building biologists of what I found called the billing current book series on my website. And I’ve also been a presenter with other distinguished doctors and it’s called staying healthy in a five G world course on my website. I’m originally trained as a musician, that was a music and a master’s in conducting not electricity. And, you know, might wave your hands, things like that. I you know, orchestral world, that’s where I was trained, and as a performer as a teacher, so 30 years, you know, Honolulu symphony, Mexico, Stephanie and 15 years as the principal horn of North Carolina, Stephanie, and then 10 years at UNC Chapel Hill. But it all started back when my lovely new wife and I bought a brand new house together in 2001, and within six months of living there. We knew something was wrong. We all of a sudden started to feel headaches and burning skin, about five to 7pm at night, we’d get this message, you know, our skin would get hot. And at nighttime, our elbows would touch and they would there would be a shock and there was height we later found out. Fortunately, Charles Kean from EMS services in Florida is coming through the area and he fortunately was able to come by and he found all these wiring problems at high magnetic fields in our living room and we had like nine volts in our bed and it was just a disaster. But remember, this is a brand new home it passed all of the local codes and inspections and everything so obviously there were things that Were there that inspectors don’t look for. So I have lots of Oh, Charles keen early days for pulling me out of that horrible situation. Long story short, fast forwarding 17 years, or 16 years, I am a full time EMF consultant. But there was a long, long road there of working with, you know, Carl Riley, he is a terrific tracers set the template for, for me in my early techniques. And I spent about eight years of my life working on an NC smart meter opt out for no fee, you can get rid of the radio meters off your house is still a digital meter. It’s not an analog. But it’s a lot better than it was. And finally, through all of my work, I was able to cut my ties with music and make a full time living in 2017. And in 2019, I earned a career diploma from Penn Foster an online institution that trains electricians. Now, to take an electricians exam, you also have 44,000 hours in the field as a journeyman and I now have achieved that. So I will be taking my electricians license exam later this year. And I use the Michael materials, please go Michael. Alright, so in a couple of months, I hope to become a full blooded electrician, licensed electrician. But right now I just have this diploma that has shows I have the theory of wiring in the home. So that led to the knowledge of the wiring in the home is there were some problems I could not figure out and nobody could figure out and actually, the code prevented us from actually addressing some issues and what are the issues are his current on the grounding conductors of the home. So both in my professional work and my personal life with my own health, there was no solution for this. And clients would be showing me problems, magnetic fields, and this and that, you know, I can’t cut your grounding conductor, you know, you’d lose your breaker, your fault protection.

Andrew McAfee 22:10
So it really came to head when my wife and I were both having health issues with the shielding paint in our bedroom. And every time I walk into the room, my face would burn and and long story short, we found you know, their electric fields, even though we’re turn the breaker off, the whole house is still on on this on the shielding paint. And so current was getting onto that system, there’s nothing I could do about it. And I had invited the best tracing people over to try to figure it out. And you know, nothing would work. So I had to come up with a different solution. So here you see an old picture of my bench with SEC diagnostic tools, just trying to figure out what can I do to match all the requirements, you know, the code and blocking current and there’s dirty electricity and all these things in this. And I finally, after researching a bunch of different products that were out there, there’s there’s some that are going along the same route in industry in big large industrial complexes because they got big current problems on their surfaces. So I used that as a model and also the derrylin people, for cows. So that gave me some clues of what I could do. And after years of experimenting, I finally came up with a device and I call it the NCB the nuisance current blocker. So this is providing a solution to something that there there is no solution for that nobody wanted a solution for it because it would bring up a huge sort of Dark Horse fault of the grid itself. And we can get into talking into the multi grounded neutral system later and how current is being pumped into the earth and into the surfaces of our home. And so this NCB will buy us some time and protection from the electrical grid and all the wiring problems in people’s homes there are a lot of a plant and our showed you one of wear neutral current we’ll jump directly onto the grounding conductor and there are many many others. So nobody wants to address this current on the grounding conductor issue. So we have to use something and ours already said EPRI saying incredibly small amounts of current is dangerous to us. So we have to stop this current. And we finally have a device that can do that. Basically, it makes grounding safer. Right now you’re probably going what? I thought grounding made you invincible and all that kind of stuff. Well. Unfortunately from my own personal experience and personal experience of my clients. It is not safe if you’re grounding yourself to the home. wiring. So let’s address the issues. First of all, we have to get rid of the contact current, that’s the most dangerous thing our body is exposed to, and it does the damage at the lowest levels. The second one is the dirty electricity, we get that we cut the current cut the dirty electricity. And the third one is the electric fields. And this does help lower the electric fields on grounding products. So here’s a simple schematic of how it’s set up. You’ve got a person up here that is standing on a grounding mat or bedsheet or whatever it is, and then it comes into the device. And this has a couple of different features that I won’t go into today. But basically, it stops the current and it plugs into just the ground conductor. And yes, there are prongs for electricity. If you wanted to run an appliance you could. But basically this is the blocking here and filtering on the grounding conductor. It’s really easy. All you do is you just plug it in. Seriously. That’s it. So if you just watch this little video here, basically you take the NCB you plug it in an outlet, and then you got a grounding mat, all you do is it goes right into the ground prong

R Blank 26:10
and you’re done. So

Andrew McAfee 26:16
the NCB is specifically designed for, you know, grounding mats, bed sheets that are grounded things that you’re potentially grounding to that will touch your body. It has many other uses we can get into later in the chat or the q&a. But that’s what I’m focusing on. Right now. If you’re going to touch something directly, you need some protection. Now the other part of this is it’s not designed for appliances, you can and if you’re an advanced, you know building biologists you can we can tweak it, we can make it happen if you have the right equipment to test it. But it’s better not to use the NCB on an appliance, you want your your appliances solidly grounded and pulling that electric field and pulling the current away from you. And use the NCB on devices that you will touch directly. And we can get more into that later. But basically ground your appliances, not your body. That’s the shortcut. Now, let’s just look at how does this work, we want to remove contact current. So very simply, we’re going to look at how you set this up. So here’s your meter, here’s a fluctuating seven, and you’re on micro ramps, and the black is going to be touching the grounding mat and you’re going to literally hold on to the red lead. So basically, what we have here is from the black lead into the meter, the red lead to my hand. Now my hand is of course attached to my body, and my feet are touching the floor. That’s the that’s the complete of the circuit. And we can talk about the circuit later for current to flow, you have to have a circle, basically a circle. So coming in the wall through the meter into my hand, down my feet, and back to its source. So I’m just holding on to the red tip here. And that’s how much current literally now is completing a circuit between the black lead on this mat, which is attached to the grounding conductor and my body. So eight micro amps is coming into my body. If I hold the red lead, I lifted up the black lead went to zero, I put it back on the mat, it went to eight micro ramps. Now let’s plug in the NCB just into the ground prong there for grounding mats into the wall. And now let’s check it again. Black lead to the grounding mat, and I hold on to the red lead, and you’ll see the current is gone. So that’s a very, very simple demonstration of basically, the current is being blocked from the grounding mat into the body. Now the next one is filtering dirty electricity. And you can see here on the left side, these spikes here. This is what we call dirty electricity. So 60 hertz is, you know basic normal pulsation of current and North America 60 hertz, or 60 times a second. And then there’s these other frequencies that ride on the 60 hertz sine wave. This is a clean sine wave over here riding on that you have all these other frequencies. And as the speed goes up, you go to the right here, this is 1000 hertz, and this is 2000 hertz or one kilohertz is good. You see it as the speed goes up, you have all these spikes there, and that’s what it does to your sine wave. It really tears it up. Now if you have a clean sine wave, there’s many of these big spikes here and you’d have just nice clean wave here. And here’s how Here’s a demonstration of the NCB actually as a filter, because if you stop the current, you stop the frequencies now the first part of this is basically how you set up the equipment and engineers may be curious And that, but I’m just going to skip right ahead and I’m going to show you all these little tiny spikes on these waves are these high frequencies and here’s a blow up of it. And you can see it’s, you know, really noisy here. But after you plug in the NCB, then it becomes clean. So that’s how it removes these high frequencies. Now I have other videos on ours website that show you much more in depth using the fluke, how we can get rid of these frequencies. Now moving on to the third category, which is electric fields. And this is the setup I’m going to show you in the next slide. This is the NFA 1000, which is the best piece of tool that I have for measuring electric fields in an area. But it doesn’t really need a grounded reference or anything, it’s just the field around it, it’s going to be detecting in three axes, XY and Z. And then there’s the bed here, of course, and then there’s this grounding mat that’s attached to an outlet. So you’ll notice the outlet is here, and that’s the proximity to the head of the bed.

Andrew McAfee 31:01
Now, this is called a bed bath, this block right here, head of the bed, middle, the bed foot of the bed. And this this the powers onto the room. As you notice, I haven’t plugged in the grounding mat yet, but you notice that the NFA is picking up an electric field just from that outlet. Now, if we plugged the grounding mat in like the previous picture, that electric field increased to 8.9 volts per meter. So you see that there is a voltage on the grounding system that energy was brought in by the grounding mat into that area. And installing NCB this year now reduced from 8.9 to 7.8 coming in on the grounding conductor. So that reduces the electric field that you would be exposed to otherwise from a bare grounding mat. Three things the limit is three things addressed, contact current, dirty electricity, and the electric fields are reduced. It does not remove all of your electric field because that’s a larger issue to get you in, but at least it reduces it when you use your mats. Grounding is important to our lives to our relationship with the planet is unfortunately our homes are so dirty with their energy. It’s just not the best way. But if you’re going to be using grounding mats if you have to in your high rise building or apartment something the NCB is your answer to clean up and stop the contact current. Thank you all for recognizing this critically important information and bringing it to your audience.

R Blank 32:45
Thank you very much, Andrew, and I will reclaim power from you. And share my screen again.

Okay, so again, thank you so much, Andrew for explaining Oh, as my camera I forgot to turn around camera for explaining your brilliant invention to us. Now before we get to q&a. And the special offer I have for all of you here tonight. I want to underscore a couple of points. One of which Andrew already said, which is the NCB is the first and only product in the world that does what Andrew just explained. That’s why he’s filed a patent on that on it. You cannot find this functionality in another product anywhere. And I also want to underscore Andrew invented the NCB not to get rich and not just to solve a theoretical problem. But to solve his problem and his clients problems. This stroke of genius was born out of necessity and real world needs. And that’s why I’m excited to share a special offer with all of you here in attendance tonight. So for all of you here in attendance tonight you can save 33% as the launch this is the first time this product is available for purchase. And for tonight only that’s through midnight tonight which I haven’t checked but that’s about eight hours from now. You can save 33% with free shipping at shield your body comm slash ground and enter the discount code ground 33 at checkout, it may be obvious but I want to underscore this product is only available for North America at this point in time. As you know outlets are different and not only outlets but the grid is different but right now this model will work in North America. So that means this is available for customers right now in the United States and Canada. So again, this is through midnight tonight pacific time you can save 33% with free shipping, I’m going to be announcing this to the list tomorrow. But the discount they’re gonna get is is a lot less than those of you who took time to show up tonight for Andrews presentation. So with that, I think we can open it up to some Q and A. Andrew, are you? Are you ready? Yes, sir. Okay, so let’s see, this first question is long. So brace yourself. Rob asks, I have a clamp meter and tested my incoming copper water supply. And it showed 19 milliamps. I have a thick ground copper wire hooked up to the water heater incoming line that looks like it goes to the outside of our house and into a ground stake. I’m not sure exactly. When I use my clamp meter on other pipes in my house, I get a zero reading. Do you think that the water heater ground line is taking care of all of the ground voltage?

Andrew McAfee 36:04
It’s a really good question. And you know without seeing it, first off, it’s it’s too much to assume right off the bat. So ground voltage, that’s an interesting term, I thought we probably need to go into that a little bit. But you’d have to show me all the amp clamps on each of the grounding grounding systems. But basically what you need to know if there’s any current on grounding systems, either a ground rod, or water bond or anything that’s vicariously going to swim around all of your granting system of your entire house.

R Blank 36:41
Okay, thank you. Okay, here’s, here’s a good one. It’s from anonymous. What is the difference between what you are talking about today, compared to dirty electricity filters.

Andrew McAfee 36:55
Dirty electricity filters are only primarily dealing with the hot and the neutral. So what the hot and the neutral is, if you’re looking here at this, this, the top prong, there’s the two eyes on the face, and then your the ground prong is the tongue sticking out. So the hot and the neutral,

R Blank 37:17
right? So I have my mic cam, I have the NCB up here, and it’s a two, the two flat prongs are the hot and the neutral as opposed

Andrew McAfee 37:25
to right. So the current comes out on the hot goes through the light or whatever it is and comes back on the neutral or the return wire. So basically, what a lot of filters do is they jump the high frequencies to a neutral. So the high frequencies that are produced is just basically they just as your garbage can just dump it on to the neutral and goes back. Now there are some filters that are three prong. And some of that gets dumped to the grounding. But I’m not going to say which brand and how much and all that but basically all you need to know is as far as I know. There are no other products that intentionally filter the grounding conductor. Most of them are two prong and only filter the top blades.

R Blank 38:18
Thank you, Andrew. Okay, next up, we have Rob again. Also, can I confirm ground current with my clamp meter by using a ground stake somewhere my lawn?

Andrew McAfee 38:31
Alright, so that’s two different things ground current? Well, you’ll have to add here I mean, do you want to you want to know how much is coming in to and from the grid.

R Blank 38:45
I don’t know how easy it’s going to be for him to. Okay, answer that. So let me just kind of just just make assumption,

Andrew McAfee 38:54
if you’re going to clamp over what’s called your grounding electrode conductor, and that’s the wire that’s basically a big rod in the ground that’s required by the code, your neutral comes into the house, and then it gets stuck into the ground. That ground rod right there is called the grounding electrode conductor mask into the wire going down to it as a grounding electrode. Conductor conductor is a wire, the grounding electrode is the stake. So if you clamped over that, that’s basically showing you how much current is, is communicating from the primary side of the transformer into the earth. And that’s how much circulating at that point. We don’t know how much is coming into your actual house yet. If there’s another point that goes to Earth over here, there’s definitely going to be current circulating into your home. So if you’re just going to put another ground rod in the earth out there and try to see how much is coming to and from two places that far apart. Sure, you’re going to get probably 100 150 milliamps of current maybe maybe only four milliamps who knows? Sure there’s a certain amount and you can also move that stake in your yard and they’ll go up or down. Is there like little rivers of current swimming on your yard that are coming straight into the to and from certain directions so we could go a lot of different directions with that.

R Blank 40:14
Thank you. Jumping ahead here a little Diana asks a very good question. Can you plug a grounded circuit extension into the NCB to plug in and protect several items?

Andrew McAfee 40:31
You could it depends what they are. I’ve explored this where if you have one NCB and you have two different grounding mats come into it. That’s not ideal because if you imagine one person is on grounding mat a and one person’s on grounding mat B. If Person A and B touch each other, they’re actually creating a circuit between the NCB to the mat between the people so that allows current to flow right there. So if one of them got energized, that would circulate amongst amongst them right there. So the key is, you probably want homeruns one Matt one NCB straight in so if any current got onto you, it would go straight to the NCB and activate the the ground fault protection.

R Blank 41:21
Thank you, Andrew. And so David, I believe that answered your question as well. So Greg asks, Is the NCB the same as a gram Stetzer Stetzer iser filter and I think you you answered that just a little bit earlier. Right with when your comparison, right, it is no dirty electricity. Okay. Thank you. Let’s see. Oh, okay. This is a good question. My grounding mat only has the one prong that goes only into the grounding hole of the electrical outlet not into all three holes. Would it still would you still need the NCB alloy? She signed it when? So yes. When the the answer is it will work. It’s in fact it’s designed really to work with that. That one prong just the grounding prong. Right, right, Andrew?

Andrew McAfee 42:10
Yes, the grounding probe. prong is what’s addressed. The NCB is allowed you you can actually run an appliance stuck into the NCB, but basically what’s filtered is the grounding prong, the grounding prong is what you you want to utilize if you want to protect your ground mat.

R Blank 42:27
Yeah, I’m just bringing up a photo here to show GWEN What we’re talking about. Right. So this is, in a lot of use cases, this is how you would use it right? You’d have your grounding cord and you would just go into the to the ground. The ground of the outlet not all three correct slots. Correct. Thank you, Gwen. That was a very good question. Okay. Mary asked if there’s a way to check the electricity in the ground by your house.

Andrew McAfee 43:01
Absolute Absolutely. Yes. That’s a terrific, terrific question. I do it all the time. So one of my videos, I have actually dowsing rods, and I’m actually tracing this little rivers of current because my client wanted to know, where’s a clean grounding spot out my yard? So I Okay, I’ll go find it. So we basically we could we found that some of the current would cross and that place were crossed all of a sudden would have this, you know, even more current. So we definitely don’t want to stand where the current is crossed. In fact, let me share my screen.

R Blank 43:34
Sure, give me one second. I’ll stop sharing.

Andrew McAfee 43:36
Let me show you on.

R Blank 43:39
Oh, oh, there you go.

Andrew McAfee 43:42
So on my NCB website, on my website under NCB you scroll down and see this current flows in the yard. There’s actually a video on there that shows me good doing doing this. And here’s some of the pads that will, you know, come to this transformer to come to the ground rod. And definitely you don’t want to be standing here at 530 but you can stand in between. So that’s one. One way to do it is you know, by dowsing the other one is you literally put a ground stake in the in the earth like the gentleman was saying before you put the black lead at your grounding electrode conductor, that wire that gets routed at your service and your red lead out in the yard and you can tell where these rivers are current are flowing to and from that place. And you can say the low spots or the high spots is I hope that answers the question.

R Blank 44:45
Thank you. Yeah, let me just see on the screen sharing so everyone has. Great. Thank you, Mary. And Mary I pasted the link that Andrew was talking about into the chat Okay, Stuart asks, In the past, and by the way, Andrew, we are getting quite a few questions here. So, I hope, I hope you’re comfortable in your chair there. Stuart asks, In the past, I understood that the grounding needed also to be grounded outside. And that’s the question. So do you need to ground to the outside,

Andrew McAfee 45:22
there are some strategies where if you have a bed map, or excuse me, a grounding mat or bedding or something, instead of grounding to your home electrical in a plug, if you do a solitary line out to a yard steak in the yard, and sometimes that’s at much, much better, because, you know, obviously, you’re in the soil. And it’s not directly related to your home electrical system and all the appliances that are putting current in there. So there are sometimes that is a better solution than grounding into your home, I found actually, that if you have a secondary it was called exhilarate. ground rod in the code. If you have another ground rod outside, that is a secondary place for current to flow in and out of the house. So if you follow that line to your bed, so that bed map now is the bed sheet is now attached outside, but the inside wiring is going to be pushing and pulling. Can I go outside, and the outside grid currents going to go? Can I run to the inside of the house. So there’s going to be what’s called capacitance as these two plates, and that the energy is going to try to jump across it. So you got to be really smart about how you set something like that and use a building biologist. Of course, always turn the power off to the bedroom. Just try to lower the the interaction between these two fields. And just pray that if ever lightning comes and there’s some the energy that surges in the earth, that you’re not on your bed unless you have the NCB.

R Blank 47:01
Thank you. Okay, so Laurie asks, I am planning to use EMF paint in my house, how should I ground it safely in view of this new information?

Andrew McAfee 47:16
That was my presentation staying healthy in a 5g world. That I don’t believe that there’s a blanket statement to say that there is a there is a safe way to do it. I don’t I don’t believe there is. The best thing is to use fabrics, and other types of non grounded shielding material. If you have to, for whatever reason, then we’re getting into, okay, you’re going to you’re going to shield it with paint. And now you’re going to ground it to what you’re going to ground it to the inside code says you should because of is likely to be energized and need to be associated with a breaker to turn it off. So these walls are likely to be energized by something in in that room. So you have to have a breaker that turns that that room off. So that means that is grounded inside. Now if you grounded it outside, we have the same issue is what I brought up before is we have this actually let me just share the screen real quick. If you don’t mind we keep sure after this Yeah, yeah, good. And I want to

R Blank 48:16
I need to go right, I need to stop sharing and then give you the power

Andrew McAfee 48:22
says this, this still keeps up over and over again. Let me so we’re talking about Emma jumped ahead here. Electric fields enter interchanging with, you know, kind of going back and forth between each other. So if you have an outside ground rod, and it comes up to your shielding wall here, that energy is going to be pulsing back and forth. 120 times a second 60 forward. And, you know, twice, twice per cycle forward and back here, that’s AC business, everything in the earth is basically getting pumped on by the electrical grid. So there’s current everywhere. So it pumps in the grid current into this wall. So this is turning plus and minus twice a cycle plus and then minus, that’s one cycle plus minus, that’s one cycle. These electrons, the plus are going to pull on the minus, but the plus are going to push on the plus. So all of a sudden, the pluses push across this wall. And what happens is you’re energizing the surface, but it’s pushing and pulling on other things in the surface of that room. It could be you, we don’t know. So the whole problem is we have this interaction of naturally occurring molecules and electrons but then we have this push pull dynamic inside of the room and you stick your body in there Gonna start pushing and pulling on the electrons in your body. And then we start to see what this happens is these electrons start to align, the negatives get pulled to the positive, and etc. And you’ve got a bunch of issues. And then we get into this issue. And that’s actually the your cells and getting into the voltage gated calcium channels and that interaction, which, you know, the electric field out here pushes on this forces these gates on, you know, and we’re talking here about the grid was pulling forward and backwards 60 times a second, and you’re pushing your body on this, and you’re standing right in the middle of it, it becomes a very, very complex issue. And I have lots of things that show the voltages rising and falling around here. And we can get into this more. But that’s just a snapshot of what we’re talking about.

R Blank 50:56
Thank you, Andrew. Now Genevieve posted a question. I just happen to see it in the chat. Everyone, just FYI. I just happen to see this question. But if you have a question, please post it into the q&a pod. That’s a separate button on the bottom of your screen. That way, we’ll definitely see it. But I wanted to pull this one out, because I suspect it’s very many people will have a variation of this question. And I know, it’s it’s probably something you want to address as well. Andrew, isn’t the point of grounding to discharge the body voltage. But the NCB showed no current flow in the demonstration video, how do we measure the body voltage discharge?

Andrew McAfee 51:40
That’s a really good question. How do you measure the actual discharge? So I can think of a couple scenarios, if you rub your feet on a carpet, and you build up a whole bunch of static electricity, you know, how you play with a balloon, and kind of like, you know, sticks on your hair and all that kind of stuff, that static charge built up on your body. And then of course, you shock yourself and you discharge it, right. So there’s a DC Direct current game you can play with like things, if they’re going to glob onto you. That’s, that’s static electricity. So AC, how are you going to tell if your body is discharged of AC? I don’t know. And, actually, I don’t think you want to know. Because I don’t think you want to actually have current moving through you ever. And that’s the whole purpose of this presentation is you don’t want current flowing through you. So the way the skin holds its energy in capacitance is literally the skin is a capacitor. And I just showed you the two plates on that on that screen. So the skin has impedance, it’s a blocking source, it blocks current to a certain extent, because it has these two barriers in the corneum or whatever the skin layers. And it blocks DC, more than AC AC is allowed through his ACL jump from plate to plate just like Graham sets or filter that’s a capacitor, and then high frequencies jump from plate to plate. So you literally don’t want current going through your body, it’s as if your hands get wet, this blocking ability goes to zero. And if you have high frequencies, this blocking ability goes to zero. So the worst thing could happen to you is if you are so called discharging and actually current is moving through you, what I’d like to think is that this energy inside of the skin that’s being that’s holding this charge can slowly dissipate. And I believe that the resistor in the NCB can allow very things just to trickle out very slowly, because one is current. And the other one is actually electric field. Presence of electric fields, you want to get rid of your electric fields, and your body’s going to start processing out that stuff anyway. But if you go out and you stick your hands on the earth, I believe that this excessive charge will basically just kind of migrate, it’s not going to be like a sudden jolt or or harmful circuit of current through you but you want to slow dissipation over time, which I believe the resistor can do, or just going out and being on Earth. It’s a complex question. I’ve never thought of it as how do you measure the dissipation? I don’t know the answer specifically to that.

R Blank 54:24
So then a related question also just popped up in chat. And after this, I’m going to stop taking them out of chat because we do have a lot in the q&a pod. But soon as I apologize if I’m pronouncing that wrong, or I most certainly am pronouncing that wrong. isn’t the best tool to use to use body voltage meter to met? It just jumped? isn’t the best tool to use a body voltage meter to measure how it reduces your electromagnetic sources. I would love to share a screen again if you don’t get you I did. I did not pull authority. Right.

Andrew McAfee 54:57
Very good. All right, so bye voltage meter. So let’s just get some definitions quickly. A body voltage meter is some sort of multimeter. And a multimeter is basically, you know, if we agree that the multimeter is basically got a little digital readout in the bottom at the top, and as a black, a black and a red lead, and you’re going to test something, so let’s just call that a body voltage meter or a multimeter, that I’m going to call them the same thing. So is it the best way to measure? What is the specific thing are measuring what?

R Blank 55:39
Reduce the reduction in electromagnetic sources? So reduction in EMF exposure?

Andrew McAfee 55:45
The reduction, okay? Is it the best way to measure? And the answer is no. And here’s why. Most people set it up wrong. So I’m going to show you the fault with using a body voltage meter or a multimeter to test anything associated with the body. So as you can tell in this picture right here, the multimeter. All it does is the black lead is always zero. So what do I mean by this? What I mean is sea level is zero, right? How do you know what altitude you’re going to go camping at? Well, compared to sea level? Well, what happens?

Andrew McAfee 56:27
If you change the sea level, you drop the sea 1000 feet?

Andrew McAfee 56:33
What’s your campsite? Now it’s 6000 feet, because there’s a greater difference. So that’s basically what a body voltage meter is doing is it’s basically this is sea level, the black sea level. So the red lead now is compared to sea level. So what’s you know, what altitude are you at? So if you have your black lead, and you notice on the right side here, are using a hot leg of an outlet, the right side blade is the hot lead, you know, that’s where your voltages that’s very dangerous, let’s call it 120 volts, if you compare it to ground, if you put both your leads at that same point, guess what the voltage is zero. Because you’re measuring sea level to sea level, you’re measuring the same exact point, there’s no difference. So if you move your black lead over to the neutral, which is grounded, so that would be very, very different from the 120 leg, then you will actually see the multimeter say, Oh, that’s a difference of 120 volts to wherever the black is. So the way people set up the meter is the problem. I would rather use set up the black, literally on your hand, you are the zero. And then use the red lead to touch things around you to see how much of the how much of a difference from your body. Now we can go the opposite to you. If you want to try to test your body, what is your zero going to be? What’s the black lead can be attached to you got the ground granite conductor in the wall, which is contaminated and basically the same voltage as the grid as the primary side of the grid. Or you go out in the yard, which is being energized by the grid, it’s probably better in the yard. That’s your best zero wherever it is. So what are you comparing? This is a great topic and I want to get into it eventually with a multi grounded neutral. And what is zero? What is our ground? So the answer the answer is you need to use the NFA 1000. That’s the best meter for determining actually what the presence is and the reduction power on power off. What’s the field in the room in the NFA does it without a grounded reference. I hope that answers the question.

R Blank 58:46
Thank you, Andrew. Next up we have Barb Payne. Hi, Barb, do you leave the NCP plugged in 24/7? Or do you merely plug it in when you want to directly use something that you’d plug it into it?

Andrew McAfee 59:00
You’re welcome. Leave it in all the time. It doesn’t do any filtering of the home or of the circuit only what you plug directly into the NCB will it filter?

R Blank 59:12
Yeah, okay, so you can leave it plugged in 24/7 but it doesn’t bring you any benefit unless you’re actively using the product plugged in to the NCV thank you Andrew Robb again asked how does the NCP work if my home ground wires go to the earth outside my home? The Earth has a lot of stray voltage

Andrew McAfee 59:35
okay, so let’s say your your grounding your bedsheets to the outside. I do have a device for that. And it’s not the NCB it’s the NCAA, it’s the Pro and we can talk about that later and offline. So I have other devices for using a ground rod in the earth bringing grounding conductor into the home to give you a you know that initial protection from shocks from you know, light Running, posting and all this other kind of stuff. And we can get into that later.

R Blank 1:00:03
Yeah. So and to everyone. So the NCB is, is the product we’re launching tonight, there is also a professional version that we will be launching in the near future and that requires professional installation. It has a different feature set. So that was what Andrew was just referring to. And if you’re interested in that, just stay tuned for further updates. Okay, thank you, Rob. See Vitesse. I apologize for the mangling. Do you need just one? And I think right there the answer, Andrew is you need one per grounding or earthing product that you were using at a time.

Andrew McAfee 1:00:39
That’s the safest way to use it. You could put multiple things on there, but I can imagine scenarios where you would not get all the production you wanted.

R Blank 1:00:47
Thank you. Okay. Ah, Spark asks, If you are disconnecting the grounding conductor with the NCB hat. I guess, you know, Spark is just gonna ask a spark his real

Andrew McAfee 1:01:06
name. It’s his nickname. He has another name, but

R Blank 1:01:11
we don’t know. That’s fine. No, that’s, you know, I was just wondering if his parents predicted his career. Yeah. If you’re disconnecting the grounding conductor with the NCB, how is the grounding mat any more for grounding that? Why not just why not just don’t use the grounding mat.

Andrew McAfee 1:01:31
Yeah, these were all choices that we’re all free to make. But if a person is bent, and I’m going to use my grounding mat, or they really have some sort of a use, we can get into later the professional uses for the NCB there are a number of other ones. But just sticking to the grounding mat thing. There I can foresee some situations like you’re in a hotel room or something you have no control over the environment and you want to use your NCB to, you know, pull some energy out of an area or ground something or something. You want to have the the variability that comes with the NCB and it does have some things you can adjust.

R Blank 1:02:08
Thank you. And also I’ll throw in here and Andrew you can modify, amend or correct, but the NCB isn’t just for grounding and earthing products. It’s also for EMF protection product. So if you have EMF bed canopy in an area with high electric fields, right, that would be another instance where you would want to use the NCP, is that correct?

Andrew McAfee 1:02:30
That’s right, and I don’t know how much you want to get into the dial and justing that but if you have the right equipment, you can actually tweak it to a specific application.

R Blank 1:02:38
Thank you. Um, okay, Terry Hassler asks, great job, Andrew, trying to understand if the purpose of grounding is to dump our excess electrons to ground. Shouldn’t there be some kind of current on the mat grounding wire

Andrew McAfee 1:03:00
the message here from a PRI is literally any measurable current is very damaging the principle of current flow, especially AC current flows, what we’re talking about grid current flow, not the natural DC from the earth or whatever exchange that is, let’s just leave that side for a second. Any AC current is damaging to the body and all the ways that you can imagine free radical damage, ionization all these other things. So any current moving through is bad, that has to be stopped. Now. It forces the issue. Now when you start learning about why am I using NCB when I can just turn the power off. Yeah, that’s great. Turn the power off, I totally encourage you to turn the power off that will get rid of your electric fields, more than anything else is de energize the circuit. But if you have to use a grounding mat, or a bedsheet or a can of shielding canopy, and you cannot control all of your environment, you can’t clean up the wiring of your house, you’re staying at a guest house or something like that. And you need to make sure that you’re not going to get fried by their current on the granite conductors. You better have that NCB

R Blank 1:04:08
Thank you. Barb asks, Is it okay to touch the NCB after it has been plugged in for a long time, such as when you want to move it to a different outlet? And again, Andrew jump in and correct me if I’m wrong, but yes, it is perfectly safe to touch it is a hard plastic case. So non conductive casing, touching it, even when things are running through it is totally fine. Correct.

Andrew McAfee 1:04:33
That’s it and even after I was testing it, tripping breakers and everything like that, there it has no ability to keep, maintain a capacitance or hold any energy in itself. So it’s not gonna electrocute you at all. It’s not possible for it to discharge onto if it’s free floating after you pull it off the wall.

R Blank 1:04:52
Thank you. Greg asked is that 199 per unit and how many do you need? The answer is it is 199 per unit tonight, normally 300 per unit, how many do you need? You need one per a product that you want to plug into it simultaneously, right? So if you have, you know, three different grounding mats but you only use one at a time, you’ll only need one NCB, but if you need to use all three at once, you will want three NCBS. Thank you, Greg. Okay, this is kind of an open ended question, Andrew, take it as far as you would like to is the NCB only useful for grounding equipment? And that’s me asking a question.

Andrew McAfee 1:05:39
only useful for grounding equipment. That is its primary function and goal. So only useful?

R Blank 1:05:53
Well, another use would be for grounded EMF protection.

Andrew McAfee 1:05:58
Right. So I’m trying to think of other than the ground prong other than filtering the grounded conductor, that maybe I’m missing the question.

R Blank 1:06:06
Oh, no, that’s okay. I’m gonna move on then to the next question. Okay, this is a good one, I think to help clear some things up. Ramin asks, do you have to plug in the NCB into every electrical outlet to stop the dirty electricity? And, ya know, what, why don’t you go forward into?

Andrew McAfee 1:06:26
Yep, it’s only to block. One grounding mat attached to it, it’ll block the circuit and what would flow to and from that one grounding mat, it will not affect the rest of the circuits of the house.

R Blank 1:06:41
Yeah. So this is not a dirty electricity filter in the sense that it removes dirty electricity from the home. It’s a dirty electricity filter in the sense that it removes dirty electricity from the grounding product plugged into it. Right? Is that

Andrew McAfee 1:06:56
correct? Or protects you protects your grounding mat.

R Blank 1:07:00
Thank you. And thank you, Raymond. I am about to post a link in the chat. For those who might be interested. Andrew has referenced this. And I’m just going to post it if people want to see there are other uses for the NCB these are more really aimed at professionals, such as building biologists. But we have instructions on this page that I just pasted into chat that explains what those functions are and how you can make use of them. Um, Barb asks, thank you for all the questions. Barb, do you have to turn off the circuit breaker for the electrical outlet you’re going to use? What about other circuit breakers that when I let’s start with the first question do you have to turn off the circuit breaker for the outlet you’re gonna use?

Andrew McAfee 1:07:50
No. The circuit can be on it’s live. It’s hot. And the NCB is plugged into a live outlet. And then you have your grounding mat or bedsheet or whatever it is plugged into the NCB and it protects you from the effects. Now, you will get much, much better results if the actual circuit is off to that bedroom. Because the overall electric fields in that room will be lower, and you don’t have to manage as much.

R Blank 1:08:22
Okay, thank you, Andrew M BB. Okay, anonymous asks, Is the NCB suitable for use in the UK? I heard you mentioned USA and Canada. Right now, Andrew, I’ll ask you to jump in. But right now the version of the NCB that we have is only for use in North America. And it’s only available for purchase in the United States and Canada. But Andrew, do you have something else you’d like to add on that?

Andrew McAfee 1:08:46
The Pro version? You could you could adopt that very, very quickly to just any grounding conductor anywhere in the world? As far as the plug? Yeah, I cannot say that as for anywhere else other than North America. There are too many other little tiny details for me to say that it’s you can use it anywhere else. There’s little tiny tweaks that have to be taken care of first, we can make it available but less First things first.

R Blank 1:09:13
Yeah, let’s This is a big step for us. And let’s Yeah, we’ll wait. But thank you anonymous attendee okay. This is sort of an open ended question, and you’re not sure if you’re going to have an answer for it or not. But Michael Shapley lives in an apartment building built in the 1920s, on the third floor, does he need grounding and is the best way to have a ground. The best way to have grounding to buy a mat of some kind.

Andrew McAfee 1:09:44
So the whole argument that we’re pitching here is we we’ve discovered some horrible information to some devastating news that has to reset the entire medical standard, and that is there’s current swimming all over grounding things. So we have To make sure that we’re not getting current swim into us. Now with old buildings, and old homes, I can say 100%. They’re not grounded. There’s no grounding conductor. But there are electric fields everywhere that are massive, and maybe in the old building too, but the buildings are different than then residential buildings have metal clad or BX has this metal tubing around the wires. And that will absorb the electric fields if it’s properly grounded out to the earth back to its source. And but you’ll only get two prongs. But the actual metal box is actually grounded. So it actually is technically grounded, it just you don’t have three prongs. So I don’t wanna get too complex on this. But actually in buildings, you’re actually electric fields actually be a lot lower. Because they have this this BX or MC cable than in residential applications that we don’t have this MC or BX that contains the electric field. So do you need grounding, the whole thing is you’re going to have massive electric fields. What are you going to do, if you can’t turn the power off to reduce the electric fields, a lot of people use grounding, to pull the electric field out of environment. Now this gets back into this play of push pull it’s it’s, it’s a very dangerous business unless you have something like the NFA 1000. And really know what the actual effect is when you start grounding things. So in general, turn the power off, get rid of the electric field. That’s the first goal. Beyond that, if you start have to do grounding, in order to remove electric fields, ground appliances, ground metal objects, don’t ground your body directly. That’s the best advice I can give you.

R Blank 1:11:56
Thank you. And thank you, Michael. Okay. But the number of questions in the question pod keeps actually growing, no matter how many we answer. So I’m going to start skipping around a little bit. We’ll try to answer as many of them as possible. Okay, so Gabrielle or Gabrielle asks, when will these be available for Europe? And will you do wholesale for grounding product vendors? Two separate questions, and I’ll just jump on those. The Pro version will be available for Europe. And that is soon we don’t have a firm date yet. But that is soon. And yes, we offer wholesale for grounding product vendors the NCB the one you’re seeing tonight will be in our distributor catalog tomorrow morning, and then the pro version will also be available for distributors when that is released. So thank you, Gabrielle. Okay, um, okay, so Florence asks, Could you touch on other uses for the NCB? And so that I’ll, I’ll paste that link again, in case you missed it into the chat pod Florence and that is the link to the page that explains other uses for the NCB. If, by the way, if you have questions, and we don’t get to them tonight, and it’s increasingly looked like looking like they’re, I mean, we’re still going here, but just based on the number of questions that keep coming in. Looks like there’ll be some we don’t get to so feel free to email Hello at shield your body calm and we will get to them as quickly as possible. But thank you Florence. Okay, mana or Manoj asks, I have a dirty electricity filter near the circuit breaker. Can the NCB be used in place of the dirty electricity filter? Nope. No? Nice simple quite answer. Thank you both of you, Andrew and manna. Okay, we answered. Ah, okay. Well, I think I know your answer to this, Andrew. But do you think that in some instances, if someone used a grounding product with the NCB that they might still be causing more harm than good by using the grounding product because of the electric fields not being completely eliminated or for any other reason?

Andrew McAfee 1:14:26
As I’ve shown the situation in your mind, as I’ve shown the situation is better with the NCB it is better for the NCB

R Blank 1:14:38
Thank you very good. Um Okay. Denise asks, Will this device help people who are not using grounding devices like grounding mats?

Andrew McAfee 1:14:51
Yeah, there are some other applications for it and I have a video on it. A spectrum analyzer cleans up your ground so you can see the picture Quincies if you’re working at a station and you have static protection, you don’t want to be of course electrocuted and all that kind of use it for that, you know, just goes on and on. And we haven’t even got into the talking about the dial and adjusting Nexi checking your GFCI breakers in your home. I mean, there’s so many other things that we could do. But these are more advanced things, but basically, to keep it simple. Today is about granting mats and bedsheets and anything you have to ground and that possibly make contact with your body.

R Blank 1:15:33
Thank you. Okay, um I’m just scrolling through questions here. A lot of this ones here, we’ve already answered. You might have Daniel asks. Oh, yes. Oh, if you got a question. Go ahead. Yeah, Daniel asks, In other words, if there are high electric fields is this advise to be used for grounding sheets?

Andrew McAfee 1:16:11
Well, I turn that question around. If you’re using ground sheets, because you have high electric fields that you can’t control, like you’re in an apartment, or you’re, you’re staying at a friend’s house, and then you’re forbidden to go to the basement to turn off the breakers and you have high electric fields and using bedsheets and using the correct way, the highest electric fields on your floor from people below you. And then you use your bedsheet under you in a suction electric field away from your body, you’re on top of your bed. So you can pull these luck fields down. Absolutely, you want to make sure that there is no current swimming around, you can actually adjust the dial inside the NCB to allow certain amount of current to flow and to reduce the electric fields and a certain amount to balance out the safety. I mean, it gets a little complex, but the answer is yes.

R Blank 1:17:00
Thank you. Um, this is a good one. And Andrew, if you want to share screen, just let me know. Linda asks, what is the mechanism inside the NC be? Happy to show you that. So I’m gonna second I need to these windows keep changing.

Andrew McAfee 1:17:20
Hey, are you had that complex schematic somewhere early in the

R Blank 1:17:26
where was that? Oh,

Andrew McAfee 1:17:30
to show him the simple schematic on how to set up the bed map is probably the easiest thing to do was to do that. Okay, you are. Alright, we’re going back to our presentation and pull up. Slide number almost there. There it is. So, taking a look at this.

R Blank 1:18:02
I don’t you need to share your you need to share your screen. Thank

Andrew McAfee 1:18:05
you. I should have done that first before I got into this. Alright, share screen, bang, share. Now I can play the current slide. Okay, now, you see a little person over here on the right. And then there’s a schematic and then those outlets. So let’s look at our schematic here. Coming in this little jagged line is the universal term for a resistor. Basically, linear performance very stable, no problem. It’s just going to slow down current or stop it and it’s depending on how much it is this um, one mega ohm resistor right there. And then after that, there’s actually an inductor, it’s a coil designed to stop frequencies, low frequencies and higher frequencies. Basically, it’s you got noise coming through here in any way. It’s going to, you know, choke it. The opposite path is what’s called a gas discharge tube. It’s basically a neon light. And this activates at a certain voltage and if there’s a voltage that rises on here, this thing lights up and the current will rush through immediately in nanoseconds. I mean just really super milliseconds super super fast. So it bypasses all the resistors tech and other ones so if you get this energize it goes bang and sends it back onto trip to breaker.

R Blank 1:19:32
Thank you. Let me mark that as done someone else asked and I answered it in text but Andrew, someone asked if you are available for consulting and I pointed out your your website home EMF tracing comm is how people can reach out to you.

Andrew McAfee 1:19:49
Right, you go to my appointments page, read the details there and it’s pretty much self explanatory. I’d be happy to help. Okay,

R Blank 1:20:01
Let’s see if using the NCAA, do you think it is unnecessary to turn off the power to a room where you are using a grounded product?

Andrew McAfee 1:20:13
In my personal opinion, it’s always better to turn the power off unless you have MC cable. If MC if the room has been rewired into MC cable and it contains all the electric fields, then you don’t have to turn off the power.

R Blank 1:20:28
Okay, thank you. And just a moment here, Stephanie is asking me to ask the room, I guess there’s a lorry in the room. And two, please type into the chat pod where it is you are trying to order from that is I guess your shipping address, if you could please type that into the chat, Stephanie would be happy to help you further. Anonymous asks, Is grounding at the beach safe?

Andrew McAfee 1:20:52
As far as I know, unless you got some weird problems going on the beach is like one of the greatest places to go. And you know, parks, woods, whatever it is, get out in nature, don’t be afraid of nature, of course, you know, you want to be walking underneath a power line or something like that. Just don’t stick a ground rod in the earth and then hold on to it, you know, and try to actually put bring current out of the earth into through your body. Just go out with your feet, your hands, enjoy the weather enjoy the earth. And it gets into a larger problem talking about the moldy, grim, multi grounded neutral system of the, you know, that’s the basic where we’re gonna end up this conversation everybody’s gonna get you know, kind of like, well, well, well, it’s always gonna go up and boom, we’re gonna have to talk about the multi grounded grid eventually, but in the meantime, let’s just talk about how to stay safe in your own home.

R Blank 1:21:47
Thank you. Jane asks, and I should have this information, but I just don’t have it handy. How much does the device weigh? And the Andrew, I don’t know if you happen to remember offhand how much it weighs. But it’s very light.

Andrew McAfee 1:22:00
I did weigh it for shipping. Yeah, I don’t i i

R Blank 1:22:05
Yeah, it’s Jane. It’s very light. I mean, we’re talking a matter of ounces. But she’s asking because she wants to see if it’s possible, how how convenient it is to travel with and I would say it’s, it’s quite convenient. But thank you, Jane. That’s a very good question. And I apologize for not having the exact answer on hand for

you. Okay, so here’s Daniel asks, and this is actually sort of what Laurie was asking to do. You use your NCB in motels or other places when you’re traveling for grounding purposes, or just to find a spot to ground when you can.

Andrew McAfee 1:22:43
When you travel in buildings, residential areas, that’s where it’s needed. Not outside.

R Blank 1:22:50
Thank you. Um does okay. So someone is asking Raymond is asking if if the NCB does the same thing as a sign tamer? No, no. Thanks.

Andrew McAfee 1:23:10
Do you want to elaborate sign tamer is a they have a couple of different products once a whole house filter basically as tuxes get stuck into your main panel, hot neutral, two hots neutral on the ground. And it’s cooked, it’s a hooked up in parallel. And what parallel is, if you have a wire, and then you plug in something attached to it, it basically it doesn’t disrupt the wire, but you can go through my right hand it can go, but this finger in this where so it has two pathways, one in here and one here. So that’s basically how the science cameras plugged in is it kind of tries to bleed off. Some of the frequencies that come into your house and for the most part is effective in some areas. But mine is what’s called in series. It’s basically all the current goes through my grounding conductor. There’s some parallel mines in series. I don’t filter the hotter in the neutral to I’m not concerned about the hot and the neutrals at all. I am focusing only on the grounding conductor.

R Blank 1:24:10
Thank you. Okay. Gabrielle asks, when you say the neutral is grounded, what do you mean, I live in Europe and the neutral is not connected to the grounding cables in the panel. It is separate.

Andrew McAfee 1:24:21
May I share my screen yet?

Andrew McAfee 1:24:25
Are you not?

Andrew McAfee 1:24:26
Oh, yeah, you’re good. All right. Yeah. Thank you for that question. So can you see the NCB page? You guys are okay. Yes. So on the NCB page, you’re going to go down on my website, NC big. Go down and you’re going to find current flow Whack a Mole. Here’s some of the APR research. 60% goes through the earth in northern America, I’m not sure what it is in other countries, but we have a multi grounded neutral system, what does the multi grounded neutral system mean? It means multi a lot grounded into the ground. Neutral, the neutral is the center, tap the neutral point between two extremes on the transformer. Here’s one extreme, here’s the other extreme right in the center what’s called a neutral point. So they call that neutral current, it’s not neutral, because there is current flowing. So neutral is a really bad word. So unfortunately, that’s the, it’s the neutral point of the transformer, it’s a center tap, that brings back 120 volt current to the system. Here’s the kicker, this ground rod from the present, okay, here’s the current that comes in what’s called a primary side, from the substation, this is the primary side of our transformer, the return current pathway is grounded, it gets stuck into the earth. So as a choice, it can go on the wire, it can go into the earth. Now, on the other side is the secondary side, this is the house side of the transformer. And we have 120 volts positive 100 joules negative right in the middle is our neutral, it gets stuck into the earth, boom, right there at our panel. But look at this, there is a wire that connects the primary side of the grid to the secondary side right there. This wire right here is the problem. That bond right there is the big, one of the big stinks about all the neutral current and the noise. And this is a lightning arrester right here from the phase conductor coming in. This is also grounded to our our neutral. So we’re getting hit with a bunch of bunch of noise, a bunch of electricity a bunch of surges right into our neutral, and the neutral comes in. And right here, it becomes a part of our grounding system. So here’s another picture, the neutral comes in, comes in, boom hits the ground right there, but then it splits into the fourth wire. This fourth wire is the equipment grounding conductor, this is the thing that you plug in and all your outlets, this green wire right here goes to the frame of all your loads. So you see it’s required by by code to be bonded right here is called the main bonding jumper. This grounding conductor is attached to this neutral, which is grounded, grounded conductor right here at the main disconnect. So all of the grid crap that comes in on the neutral also goes right into our grounding mats and outlets and surfaces that we touch.

R Blank 1:27:41
Thank you. And thank you. Gabrielle Gabrielle for the question. Mary asks, we live in high desert dry climate and use a clothes dryer makes a lot of static electricity. Could improper grounding increase that?

Andrew McAfee 1:28:02
It’s hard to know, there are different properties with really dry desert air and static electricity and all that kind of stuff. I am not a special in a specialist in that. But I do know about if you’re if you’re a plant, let’s say your dryer is a three prong I mean means it’s too hot. And the third wire is a neutral. Just like that picture we are showed earlier, that thing is grounded to the frame, there’s going to be a much more current electric field around the frame of that that will be interpreted as you know, more static discharge or whatever you want to call it. It should be a four wire system to hots, a neutral that’s carrying current and then a grounded conductor that’s attached to the frame. So I would check that to make sure that that’s not the problem.

R Blank 1:28:53
Thank you. And thank you for the question Mary. C void test asks. So he understands that we’re saying that this product is really designed for use with grounding products, as opposed to appliances but he asks or she apart from grounding products. What about say a sewing machine that you touch constantly?

Andrew McAfee 1:29:19
Yeah, sewing machines are a real big problem. I’ve actually worked with a lady that she really got me into it and their disaster what we ended up doing we actually put an alligator clips onto the frame of the sewing machine and then grounded it so we’re pulling away current pulling away electric fields from the frame of the sewing machine. So we provided a better pathway than her body. Like I said before your skin has some impedance on it blocks to certain extent. So it’s taking all pads but if you get a better path, you can suck it away from you. So you you would not use it on your sewing machine because That would rob it of a better path. We actually want that sewing machine grounded better. Now if the person were required to wear some sort of strap on their selves, I would put the NCB on that. So the question basic premises. Don’t use the incipient on NCB on appliances, add more grounding to appliances to pull that stuff away. And we can get into computers and laptops and all kinds of stuff. Whenever your body touches something constantly, you want to make sure that path isn’t bringing current to you. Hope that explains it.

R Blank 1:30:40
Yeah, that was a great, great illustration. Thank you, Andrew. And thank you see four tests for the question. David find as in Hi, David, is grounding with his grounding using the NCB with shielding paint the same as to a canopy or those kind of similar use case you use it the same way. Same benefits, is that right, Andrew?

Andrew McAfee 1:31:00
Yes. In all cases, it’s better to turn the power off, especially if you have shielding paint. Remember the walls unless you have MC cable suppressing the electric fields, there’s gonna be very high electric field, run that wall, always turn the power off, especially if you’re using bed cavities to turn the power off. Get rid of that electric field. There’s less garbage to process out.

R Blank 1:31:22
Thank you. I’m

Mike MIAC. I apologize again, Miyazaki Jacobs asks, I have a client who wants to use a grounding mat. But he has a Federal Pacific service panel. So can’t shut off any breakers. Would it still be okay to use the NCB in a home with this kind of panel?

Andrew McAfee 1:31:50
As long as they have this fourth wire, you know, and equipment grounding conductor that goes to the outlet and you can have access to it? Yes.

R Blank 1:32:02
Thank you, both of you. I skipped one here and I shouldn’t have. Ruth Feldman asks, so I have a stamina grounding mat. was told not to use it by a building biologist due to dirty electricity. Would the NCB solve this problem?

Andrew McAfee 1:32:20
It will solve the dirty electricity problem. Yes.

R Blank 1:32:24
Thank you. And thank you, Ruth for the question. Daniel asked if I’m not seeing any of my questions. Daniels No, that’s just how many questions we’ve been getting. Oh, okay. Laurie, I see your question. And Stephanie has reached out to you. I apologize for that issue. Ah, anonymous asks, I believe that cords that come from certain vendors have a built in resistor can’t recall the ohms. So what is the I mean, he he or she didn’t actually ask the question. But I think the question that naturally comes from that is what’s the difference in functionality between an resistor that’s incorporated into a grounding product and using a grounding product with the NCP?

Andrew McAfee 1:33:12
Yes, I was very excited to see that out on Amazon and I know the website of who’s selling it and I think the the doctor is fantastic. She’s, she’s awesome. And she’s going in the right direction. And the people that develop it have the absolute right intention, they recognize the problem and the it’s the the ohms on it is probably enough to do really good work. And in the video that I saw her do, it actually was tangibly showing good results. One major fat problem though, my device maintains your protection with your breakers. Just a resistor will stop the breakers from being able to activate.

R Blank 1:34:05
Because then that is at the end of your answer engine.

Andrew McAfee 1:34:08
That’s that’s the bit simplest way I could put it. Yeah, that’s fine. I just want to surround fall paths so your breakers in your house will still work, your GFCI will still work with that other product, your GFCI will not work. Your breakers will not trip if there’s a disaster problem that your mat becomes live if a live wire hits it or, you know lamp cord energized or whatever it is, if there’s ever a disaster, you need to be protected. That other product will not enable those overcurrent protection devices to protect you. Mine will.

R Blank 1:34:40
Thank you. David friand asks another question here. And this gets back to the multiple product per NCB potential use case. I understand why it may not work so well to daisy chain to grounding products. If we touch each other if we touch each other to create the same circuit. But what if the products are completely separated?

Andrew McAfee 1:35:06
Well, if they’re they’re plugged into one NCB and they come out, both your feet are touching the floor. So you both have a common reference point. So, in general, it could work just fine. I can just imagine scenarios where there would be energy exchange between these two points and allowed to circulate here. And it would never be the current though, go back to trip to breaker. But this would be enough to be harmful or be not beneficial to you. And you wouldn’t be protected current would flow between you as a circuit, you would have current flowing here, and my NCB couldn’t block that. So if you are completely isolated, and you’ve checked it, and you’ve, you’ve got all the equipment, great, go for it. But we’re talking about lay people here and how to set this up to make sure that they’re the guaranteed to work right, or, you know, just ensure the best practices. So there are many, many scenarios. And if you’re really good at this stuff, yes, you could probably set it up. But my recommendation is just keep this simple.

R Blank 1:36:16
Thank you. And thank you, David. Bill Tyrrel asks, is there an anticipated life expectancy for this product? And how would you know if it is no longer functioning properly, I’m just going to jump in real quick. And I’m going to paste in a link to an article on our site that explains how you can verify that the NCP is still functioning the way you would expect it to. But Andrew, can you speak to anticipated life expectancy please?

Andrew McAfee 1:36:46
No more than 100 years. Less than 100 years.

R Blank 1:36:52
Yeah. And it’s covered by you know, any product that I sell at si B is covered by a lifetime warranty that we are very, very good about honoring so. And we do have instructions bill at that link. Hopefully you see it there in the chat pod. And please watch

Andrew McAfee 1:37:07
those videos. I spent a lot of time making those. I paid a lot of money, paying an electro electrical engineer confirming everything I’ve claimed and said is true. And it’s really fantastic. I’m very proud of what the NCB does, and that link right there shows the videos of what it’s doing in action.

R Blank 1:37:25
So thank you, Andrew. And thank you, Bill. Um, oh, Jane asks, and this is if you could just repeat quickly, Andrew, she missed something in the sewing machine answer that you gave, how do you ground the sewing machine while you’re working on it?

Andrew McAfee 1:37:43
Basically, you have an alligator clip on one end. And the other end is basically sticks into the ground prong. And you can buy them on less EMF and I don’t know if you carry them are. But basically you want to clamp on to the metal frame of the sewing machine and grounded not to the earth, but to an outlet that is the same outlet that the sewing machine is plugged into, because you need to have fault protection. Now, if it’s a three prong sewing machine, it should already be grounded to the frame. And you can you know, test that with continuity and all those other kinds of stuff. But if it’s only a two prong you absolutely need to two equipment grounded safety grounded, not earth it there’s a 250 dot for a five says the Earth is not an effective ground fault path. So you will not be protected by any breaker if you stick a ground rod outside in the earth.

R Blank 1:38:42
Thank you. And thank you, Jane. I’m Daniel as I take it directions for BVIs or experts comes with it or in the literature. Yeah, so Daniel, again, the pro version is not yet out. That will have additional documentation. But right now we do have documentation for pro level users of the NCB. And we’re continuing to add more. But you can see that at the link that I just pasted into the chat pod. So that shield your body.com/ncb. And there you will see several articles with documentation on advanced uses and product verification, and so forth. And we are continuing to answer to create more documentation as questions arise. And yeah,

Andrew McAfee 1:39:34
it’s good finisher thought I’d love to joke Yeah.

R Blank 1:39:36
i Oh, and the link that I just pasted into the chat room is actually affixed to every unit of the NCB Daniel, so it does literally come with the product, that link that I just sent. But Andrew, I guess you’re you’re probably going to point out that there’s even more advanced documentation on your website, correct?

Andrew McAfee 1:39:53
No, I was going to talk about Dave Stetzer in the cows.

R Blank 1:39:57
Oh, so am I done answering this question. You

Andrew McAfee 1:40:00
whenever you’re done, I want to make sure before people start to leave the chat that they hear about Dave statures work.

R Blank 1:40:06
Yeah, yeah, yeah, go for it. I just clicked done. So yeah, go for it.

Andrew McAfee 1:40:10
Very good. So

R Blank 1:40:14
do you want the screenshare? Yeah,

Andrew McAfee 1:40:16
good. Okay. Okay. So the one of the most important things has happened is Dave Stetzer. Stetzer. Electric has done great, great work for dairy farmers. And you can see in this chart here, here are the volts over here. And you notice it’s in peak to peak, and I’ll talk later about what peak to peak would be versus RMS. But this is the voltage this is basically if you do the math, you know, how much current would actually be thrown through a cow. But the blue is the milk production, and the red is the voltage. So if you track this line, the milk productions do a pretty good, but the voltage starts to come up, and then milk production goes down. And while the voltage that up, the milk is low, it goes down, and finally the milk production starts to come back up. And it’s rising, rising, oh, there’s a hit, and the milk production goes down. And then boom, there’s some high days, the milk production is really, really low. So you’ll notice there’s a direct correlation with the milk production, the cows weren’t drinking enough water, they were getting shocked, they stopped. So this, if you go over here to the right side, what I want to get into here is volts peak to peak. So what we’re talking about here is when we start to see bioactivity, I mean anywhere here, let’s start right here, how many volts is this point 02 volts would be the equivalent of 20 millivolts. So 20 volts peak to peak A is 10 volts above and 10 volts below and you measure peak to peak would be 20. So just volts to one peak would be 10. Now if you do the math, multiply 8.707, it becomes even less than that. So we’re talking about anything less than 10 millivolts, peak to peak. And in fact, the science that they came out with basically is dealing with RMS, now, this is what a multimeter would would read not an oscilloscope, to millivolts if you are reading to millivolts on your body voltage meter, you are going to you’re going to be causing a physiological response similar to what the cows were. And what they were finding is, you know that this milk production here, and also, we haven’t even got into it very much. All the dirty electricity just showed with it is causing very measurable changes. And we’re talking about a person standing at a sink. And he’s got his scope set hippier between the sink in the floor, the bare feet on the floor of the hands touching the sink, and you’re getting hit this way. You know, maybe we can’t tangibly set it up to measure milk production. But the cows have a very tangible thing that you can measure. But human beings need to start to understand that our resistance is very similar to cows, when especially in wet conditions, it’s around 500 ohms. If you have two millivolts. That’s enough, so the whole Standard has to change. Now two millivolts is a voltage regulation, we’re talking about current here, I want to go right to current because that’s the final determinant of what is the actual harm. And we need to know without the missing variable, voltage, resistance is the middle variable. And that’s the skin and then current. So for measuring voltage, we really don’t know what the skin impedance is of how much really getting shocked with we only know how much pressure is pushing on our body. But if we measure the current, we’re done, we have all the variables taken care of. And that’s why I’m coming out with the protocol for contact current protocol using the Fluke measuring the current directly and not voltage. Thank you.

R Blank 1:44:18
Thank you. And there’s some more questions here. We’re coming up on two hours in a little bit here, which is our normal runtime. But let’s see how motivated Andrew is to continue. Just a quick note before we get into some more questions, reminder that this sale is through midnight tonight. Pacific Time, which is in just about eight hours from now. So if you’re interested in the NCB This is the best price that you’re going to get it at for quite some time. Tomorrow when I announce it to the list. I believe I’m offering 20% off. So this is 33% Off with free shipping throughout the United States and Canada. Susan asks Would the NCB work on a Mac computer? I am sensitive and feel electricity flow? I guess maybe a better question and a question. phrasing of that question for you, Andrew is, Susan feels she’s sensitive and she feels the flow when she’s working on her Mac, how would you recommend addressing that scenario,

Andrew McAfee 1:45:19
but I’m going to give you an hour consults in about 25 seconds. Get a separate keyboard, so your hands are not touching the laptop directly. USB plugged in USB mouse, plug it in, so your now hands are separate. And they’re not going to be touching the Mac directly. Ground your Mac with a USB plug into an outlet. So the frame of it is grounded. Now the problem is the Ethernet cord. Ethernet cord has a gigantic electric field coming into it. There’s great products. Shawn crannis Electro health has his products that he does, he has a couple of things you can use where you can actually ground and provide a pathway for the electric field from the Ethernet to the wall. But that’s the whole thing is ground that appliance to the wall. Don’t use the NCB for your Mac powered in. Now for some reason you have to and you have to work on it when it’s powered. You need the NC the NFA 1000 sitting right in front of you to detect does your electric field go up? Or does it go down? And then you adjust the dial in the NCB accordingly. So that’s an advanced technique.

R Blank 1:46:35
Thank you, Mark that is done. Now more I see more questions have come in. But Stephanie curated some out of the chat pod. And I want to get to a couple of those. So are you Jason asks, are so are you saying that contact current is by another name the same as body voltage as measured with body voltage kits.

Andrew McAfee 1:47:07
It’s not, because body voltage is missing a variable. And that’s resistance is only measured the pressure on your skin. So body voltage kits just measure what’s the comparison between point A and point B and where you point point A and point where you put point B is the test. And that’s why I’d said earlier with Where were you going to put the black lead. It’s it’s very misleading. And I think it’s very inaccurate way to actually assess, I’m going to give you the punch line if you have to use a multimeter and a body voltage meter. If you’re concerned with a ground mat, put the black lead on the mat and the red lead in your hand. So you’re measuring just the voltage difference between the mat and your hand, you’re going to see how much interchange how much pressure is there pulling pushing between these two things. And if it’s higher than two millivolts, I think you’re going to be a problem. Now if you use the black lead to the outlet, that same outlet that the grounding mats on Remember, it’s the two zeros matching themselves and it’s completely useless.

R Blank 1:48:12
Thank you. Seems a couple of people asked a variation of this question. Most of the outlets in my house are not grounded. And I guess that an NCB would not be effective given this.

Andrew McAfee 1:48:26
Yeah, you got to make sure that you know, get an electrician out there, open up the outlets and see if actually you have the old time BX that and the metal plate that’s actually grounded, you may have a ground available in there and you can actually get the electrician to put a grounded outlet and there are three prong that’s actually effectively grounded. So if it’s really a two wire system and there’s no ground in there, right the NCB would not work and and it’s code violation to actually put a three prong receptacle face on actually only two wires that are ungrounded. That’s a code violation.

R Blank 1:49:03
Kevin asks, Will your NCB show millivolt reductions using a greenwave broadband EMI plug in dirty electricity meter on the same outlet?

Andrew McAfee 1:49:13
Those only test the hot and the neutral. So there they are not testing my meter

R Blank 1:49:20
you’re the NCB

Andrew McAfee 1:49:23
right the EMI is only testing the hot and the neutral and mine is on the grounding system so their device doesn’t test the grounding system so they will not catch what the NCB is reducing.

R Blank 1:49:35
Okay, thank you. Um

Andrew McAfee 1:49:41
Did I say ground neutral? I said hot and the neutral.

R Blank 1:49:44
You said hot and neutral. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Anonymous asks, and I have not fully read this question yet. So let’s let’s learn it together. I have relatives with a lot of physical problems. I have given them earthing products. However, I have felt worse usually In earthing product there, I know earlier you indicated it would be better using an earthing product within NCB, did you mean though, that it still might be doing them more harm than good to use the earthing product even if it’s with the NCB I don’t want to be making their health worse. And I know that’s, you know, that’s a load that question has a lot of complex assumptions that that you don’t know the them. But what would you’re

Andrew McAfee 1:50:26
gonna it’s gonna make a better if you’re if you’re using a grounding product, the NCB is gonna make your situation better period.

R Blank 1:50:33
Okay, thank you. Um, let’s see, I’m scrolling back now.

So Gabriel asks, So connecting our grounding products directly with a ground rod cable from our window directly to the ground outside is safe, I suppose

Andrew McAfee 1:50:58
there is no such thing as safe, I need to, you know, make sure that’s very, very clear. There is a way to set things up that are safer, or avoid certain scenarios. If you’re attached to the earth outside, you’re actually wide open for getting hit by a surge, either in, you know, lightning, or whatever it is, um, it’s really not safe, you would need to have my pro version on that outside ground rod line. And we’re not talking about that today. So it’s really hard to use words like safe and healthy. It’s like safer and more healthy. Yeah. And our whole world is trashed. So we’re just trying to make things better.

R Blank 1:51:48
Yeah, no, I totally agree. I mean, that’s, it’s the same situation when it comes to the other types of EMF that that si B has been dealing with for for a decade now. And we never say any of our products make anything safe. We always say they make them safer. Daniel also asks, so if there is a high bed map, I don’t know if that’s the right word. So if there’s a high bed map, such as upwards of 30 to 80 volts per meter per meter in areas, and the person can’t control the breaker, or unterminated wires, will the NCB be applicable still for grounding sheets? Or would it require proper mitigation first, according to BBI practices? Well, if

Andrew McAfee 1:52:33
you have the ability always address your wiring problems always. But as a rule, the NC B is not created to avoid addressing your problems. The NCB is, you know, when we’re done with everything else, and we’ve done everything we possibly can, and we still got a problem. That’s when the NCB gets pulled out, and we stick that sucker when we use it. I am I’m, you know, I’m, I’m going to be an electrician soon, I’ve been doing electrical work for, you know, 15 years. There are so many wiring problems. If you don’t start with the wiring problems in your house. I would say that’s criminal if you’re a building biologist, and you know, started with the wiring problems first, that then you’re not educated. Right.

R Blank 1:53:16
Thank you. Okay, Dr. Harding, asks, How does the filter work? When contact current can be produced by frequencies in the air traveling through your body into the ground or foundation you are standing on?

Andrew McAfee 1:53:33
Say that one more time?

R Blank 1:53:35
How does the filter work? When contact current can be produced by frequencies in the air traveling through your body into the ground? Or the foundation you are standing on?

Andrew McAfee 1:53:47
Yes, it actually will work because I’ve measured many, many times. Remember, this is about a circuit. And let me go ahead and share my screen here because I’m just gonna be drawing pictures. And paper and me going. What are you talking about? So we’re talking about what is a circuit, and a circuit is a circle, just like I was saying before. Now what’s required. For current, the flow is a circuit. So what we’re talking about here is an electron chain. So here’s the source. And remember this a lot of people have to change their mind. Electrons don’t go to Earth. Electric fields don’t go to Earth, AC electric fields don’t go to Earth. Current doesn’t go to Earth. That’s false. That’s a, that’s incorrect. Goes back to source. What’s the source in in our system, we have a transformer and that is our immediate source. And there’s another source and that’s the substation but we’re not going to talk about that right now. So all of the electrons and all of the current you’re talking about has a start and an end point and that’s the same place that’s that’s the transformer. So you it comes out, it comes out on this bicycle chain. Now, if it has a path through the body, there has to be an in. So the end is the entry through and then there’s an exit. And if you have that, then you can have current, if it finds a way through the floor, something grounded back to the source. If you have a circuit, you have current flow, my NCB blocks a part of that circuit, it takes a link out of this chain, and the chain no longer works, you have to have a successive touching of all the electrons pulling on each other all the way along. If that is broken, no current will go. Hope that answers the question. Are you there?

R Blank 1:55:49
I apologize. I didn’t come off mute. Yes. So I repeatedly thank you for your answer and started reading the next question. So let me start that over. Anonymous asks, if you have two grounding pillowcases, and one grounding mat on the mattress, you would need three and CBS correct? And then there’s a second part of the question. Well, why don’t you answer that first, and then I’ll get to the second one,

Andrew McAfee 1:56:14
you could probably get pretty cool about if you’re grinding that was adequate to hit your one grinding mat was adequate to touch the two pillows that would provide some sort of a very slow bleed or, you know, pull away of the energy it but I would put an NFA 1000 on the bed and do all these tests. I’m just flying by the seat of my pants here. And I can’t imagine the wiring problems, or the power sources above below all this kind of stuff. So always, in my opinion, flying blind is a bad idea. You put that meter on there, and you fall you do with a meter says if the electric field goes up bad if it goes down. Good.

R Blank 1:56:58
Thank you. And then the second part of anonymous question is on the slide that said reduces electric fields. And so that’s the the electric field measurement he measurement map that you did. Is it just better to not use the grounding mat

Andrew McAfee 1:57:13
at all? This is a personal choice. Do you smoke? Do you like scotch?

R Blank 1:57:22
I do actually.

Andrew McAfee 1:57:23
Like I love scotch. So whether you ground or not is a very personal, I’m not telling you what religion or what brand to drink or buy if you choose to, then this. Mm hmm.

R Blank 1:57:40
So if you are grounding, then so so the point you’re trying to make is you’re not telling people to ground or not ground, you are saying if you are grounding with a grounding product, it will be safer with the NCV. Yes, thank you. Um Let’s see I, there’s so many questions, it’s hard to scan through them in let me let me ask one more here. In the book, earthing, they mentioned that when EMF then when we are when we are grounded, using a grounding or earthing device, the EMFs from computer screens, etc, actually flows around our body rather than being absorbed. Do you have a comment on that?

Andrew McAfee 1:58:31
Yeah, I’m Mike Holt, the premier electrician trainer in our country has done some really good videos on some of the grounding myths. And I’d like you to be focused on his materials. And not my claims. Mike Holt is recognized as the authority as far as electrical whatever you want to call electrical principles, the National Electrical Code in our country, and he’s got some whoops, I’ve missed the screen. Let me get back to it. And he’s got some great videos about grounding myths. And I want you to see those. And what I’m going to do is I’m going to take this link right here, and I’m gonna put it in the chat. So this is a very, very controversial area and with my heart as open as possible and care for the unborn, my wife and I were unable were not able to conceive, I believe because of the shielding pain in the walls. The grounding principles, we tried grounding mats. We did all this stuff and the grounding system the current on the grounding systems made us sick. So I want you to not have to go through what I went through. And definitely grounding does not make you invincible. There are a lot of problems with grounding. So I want you to learn this from Michael and I will post his video link in the chat.

R Blank 2:00:19
X. Excellent. Yeah, please do. Okay, everybody, we are now up at two hours, there are still lots of questions that we did not get to. In fact, the question pod has about as many unanswered questions as there were an hour and a half ago when Andrew started answering questions. So for those of you who did not get your question answered, please email us at Hello at shield your body calm, and we will do our best to reply to you in a timely fashion. And a final reminder that this is the first time this product has been made available tonight in this webinar. And as a special offer to those of you who have taken the time to attend. There’s a special 33% discount for the next eight hours until midnight tonight Pacific time. So just visit shield your body comm slash ground that shield your it’s the link on your screen right now, shield your body calm slash ground. And then remember to enter ground 33 at checkout. Again, this is only for the United States and Canada at this time, because that’s where the product is designed to work. So again, thank you everyone for taking the time to come out tonight. I really appreciate it. I really appreciate you making the time to learn Andrews what I believe is a very important message a very I mean, I’ve learned a lot just by working with Andrew for the last 15 months. And I am I’m very proud to have some role in helping to bring this information to a broader audience. So Andrew, thank you as well for all your work on the NCB and learning all of this stuff and sharing it with the community. Thank you so much.

Andrew McAfee 2:01:59
And thank you are for your mission, to bring this to the light and your great audience that you have built up and trained and educated and help. I imagine there are a lot of people in your audience that owe you so much and I owe you a great debt. So thank you so much.

R Blank 2:02:14
Thank you. So thank you everyone, you will be getting an email tomorrow, it’s automated, it will not have the recording of this. So the recording will be on our YouTube channel tomorrow. That’s youtube.com/shield your body and the email will have a link to download an ebook. The e book has a lot of the information that you’ve seen here tonight. So if you wanted just to keep a reference to explain this stuff, with more links and so forth, just look out for that confirmation email tomorrow and make sure to download that ebook. So thank you everyone. Oh and Andrew JG is asking that you are going to post a link to Mike Holt did I thought I saw you do that didn’t you know it’s one of

Andrew McAfee 2:02:57
one of them’s the title grounding safety fundamentals one hour and 13 minutes 19 seconds and then the link is all by itself and I’m sorry I did it too fast. I didn’t put them together in the same one. That’s 603 is the link for the movie.

R Blank 2:03:12
Okay, great. So again everyone thank you so much and we’ll see you again at the next webinar have a great evening Thank you. Yeah, I just posted I think correctly into the chat

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