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Webinar Archive: At-Home EMF Testing

Webinar Archive: At-Home EMF Testing

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EMF radiation is harmful to your health. And the more of it you’re exposed to, the greater your risk. It’s also invisible and odorless. You can’t touch or taste it. So how can you know how much EMF you’re exposed to? By testing. In this webinar from February 25, 2021, SYB Senior EMF Consultant, and Certified EMF Specialist and Building Biologist Cathy Cooke goes in-depth about how you can test EMF at home.

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In it, she covers:

  • The different types of EMF and the different types of meters you need for each;
  • Her recommendations for the best meters;
  • Testing do’s and don’ts to get the best and most accurate readings;
  • and more!

Webinar Recording

Webinar Transcript

R Blank 0:02
Okay, everyone, welcome to tonight’s as swipey webinar testing EMF at home. Sorry, I have to live between screens here, we will do some very quick introductions so you know who we are. And then we’ll spend about 30 minutes on the main content, followed by some q&a. Very quickly. Just a quick introduction of who I am, in case you don’t know, I’m the host, for tonight, not the presenter, but the host, my name is R Blank, I am the CEO of shield your body. Previously, I served on the faculty of the University of Southern California viterbi School of Engineering. I also co authored, overpowered along with my father, Dr. Martin blank. And this all follows a 20 year career in software engineering. Okay, so today’s topic is at home EMF testing. If you’re on my list, or even just read any of the information I create here, that’s why be you know that exposure to EMF radiation is a real health risk. What’s more, the more of it you’re exposed to, the greater your risk. That’s called a dose response relationship. Now in today’s world, we’re going to be exposed to EMF, there’s no way around that. But there are ways to reduce your exposure. This is the key message of si B. The thing is emf is invisible and odorless. You can’t touch it or taste it. So the only way that you can really know how much you’re being exposed to, and from what sources that’s coming is to test. That’s why this is a critical skill for anyone who wants to reduce their exposure to EMF, which is why I’m such a big advocate about testing. I know from talking to 1000s of customers, EMF testing can seem a little bit like a dark art. But that’s the thing. It’s really not. Well, it takes someone like Kathy tonight speaker years to become a real deep expert in these skills, and she invest 1000s of dollars into professional grade equipment. You can learn the basic testing in under an hour and do it effectively with a meter that costs maybe about 150 or $170. So for 30 minutes and less than $200 you can do the single best thing possible to take back control over your exposure to EMF radiation. And that’s why I’ve asked Kathy to come join the webinar this month and discuss at home EMF testing. Kathy is Cathy cook is a Board Certified holistic nutritionist and a certified building biology environmental consultant and certified electromagnetic radiation specialist with the building biology Institute. Indoor practices a building biologist, she assesses buildings for anything that may be causing health problems. This includes indoor air quality, mold, chemical off gassing, ventilation, and of course, EMF exposure. Kathy combines holistic nutrition and building biology to address both the body and environment to help her clients achieve optimal health. She is also a devoted advocate for EMF health issues. And as the founder of Idahoans for safe technology, and advocacy and awareness group for the safer use of modern day communications. So I’m about to pass this off to Kathy but I realized I forgot to mention two things. So one, I see a question already come in. Will the archive be the recording of this be posted? Yes, it’ll be posted to our YouTube channel, probably tomorrow. So that’s youtube.com slash shield your body. And then the other thing I want to point out is if at any point, any of you have any questions, we are running a q&a session once Kathy’s done with her presentation, so please make sure to put them into the q&a pod, not into the chat pod because if they go into the chat pod will probably miss them. So at any questions pop up, please put them in the q&a pod. So with that, I am going to hand it off to Kathy so Kathy, I’m going to stop my share. And

Unknown Speaker 4:16
ready

R Blank 4:18
make you the host and go for it.

Cathy Cooke 4:22
I am okay. All right. Yes, hang on there real quick. It has given me a moment. A technology moment.

Unknown Speaker 4:38
I am

Cathy Cooke 4:40
it’s common.

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Alrighty, here

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we go. All right.

Cathy Cooke 5:00
All right, we have it.

R Blank 5:03
Yep. screen.

Cathy Cooke 5:05
All right, here we go. Awesome. Great. So thank you R for that introduction. And it’s excellent to be here with your shoulder buddy community again tonight. So to any of you who are new to our webinars, we’ve done several others in the past year. If you’ve missed any of those, I encourage you to go back to the YouTube channel that are mentioned and watch some of the other webinars where both are and I have given just, I mean, just a ton of information on EMF and you can learn quite a bit by watching those recordings. But for today, we’re going to discuss how to test your own home for EMF. And, you know, this is also important for your work environment, as well as your car, we need to test all of these areas where we’re spending a lot of time. So this is a very important skill that we should all know how to do. Of course, you can always call on a building biologist or EMF professional like myself to assess your home, and to help you mitigate. And you should, but you should also know how to use a meter so you can take control of your exposure on a day to day basis. So that’s basically what we’re going to talk about tonight. We’re going to get into the nitty gritty of how to test what meters that I recommend what the readings actually mean. And of course, we’ll answer your questions at the end of the webinar. And by the way, this webinar is a companion to the shield your body’s free ebook, how to test EMF for yourself, which is really a fantastic resource to help you and your future testing. Okay, so like I said, if you’re on this webinar, you know that your exposure to EMF can have negative health impacts. So I just wanted to take a quick second to mention this. So the importance of testing is fresh in your mind. We know through the work of Dr. Martin Paul and many other researchers in this area. The one of the primary ways that emfs affect our biology is through oxidative stress. The oxidative stress can cause a host of problems like insomnia, tinnitus, or tinnitus, blood sugar imbalance, heart palpitations, memory loss, anxiety, depression, irritability, brain fog, tremors, infertility, and even more serious illnesses like cancer, Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s. Simply put, if we want to stay healthy, then we must reduce our EMF exposure. But of course, as we all know, emf is invisible, it’s odorless, you can’t touch it, you can’t hear it, you can’t see it or smell it. So the only way to know how much EMF you’re exposed to what types and from what sources is to test. So a critical step in reducing your EMF exposure is learning how to test for yourself. And while learning how to test like a pro can take a lot of work and many years, learning how to do the basic testing for yourself at home in your environment is actually really easy. And once you start, I think you’re going to get hooked. It’s really empowering. I remember when I got my first meter many years ago, I didn’t put it down for days, I just wanted to test everything I could get my hands on. And you’ll probably feel the same way once you feel a little bit confident in using your meter. Okay, to that end, the first thing we need to get clear on is some terminology and identify exactly what we are testing. So the graphic here shows part of the light spectrum. emfs are essentially different forms of light. Note that the sun is an EMF as our x rays, microwave ovens, cell phones, and everything else you see on this chart.

You’ll see that near the low end of the spectrum, the waves are quite long. And as you move up the spectrum, the waves become much shorter. So somewhere near the sun, or maybe a little bit after those waves become ionizing, meaning they can displace an electron. And ionizing radiation is known to have substantial health impacts. And that fact just is not debated by anyone. What is debated though, is whether or not ionizing radiation has negative health consequences. And from the research I’ve done in the last several years, you know, it’s quite clear to me that indeed, even very low levels of human made radiation do impact the body on a cellular level. There are also native forms of emf that have always been a part of the earth. Those would be the sun lightning the earth Oh magnetic field called the Schumann resonance, and the earth geographical poles. These are all fields that are normal and natural to the earth. But it’s the non native or the human made EMF that we’re most concerned about. And the human medium s that we’re dealing with in today’s webinar are listed here. As a building biologist, I’m most concerned with the four main fields, that’s the electric fields, the magnetic fields, the dirty electricity, or microsurgery electrical pollution, as we call it, and of course, radio frequency. So the static electricity and blue light are also important. But today, we’re just going to focus on the four main fields, you know, specifically what they are and how to test them. So we’re going to take it one field at a time to try to make it as simple and clear as possible. So first, let’s discuss the electric fields. And if you saw my webinar on how to reduce emfs in the bedroom, then you may recognize this slide. So I’ve done I’ve drawn dotted lines around the room to show you where most typically that the wires would be. And all buildings that run you know, electrical wires through their walls have electric fields, this is just the simple facts of living with electricity. The electric field is emanating from the wires unless it’s in metal clad, which in some parts of the states, it is like, in Chicago, I know they’re in metal clad, that will actually block those electric fields. But by and large, our fields, our homes rather just have romex wire, and those fields do not stay in the wire, they come out into your living space, you know, six to eight feet usually. So this typically means that the closer you are to a wire, whether you can see it or not, the greater your exposure to electric fields. And I think that this is one of the hardest fields for people to really take seriously, because most people think this is totally normal. Most of us have never known anything different. But it’s important to remember that humans have only been living with electricity for around 100 years. And, you know, honestly, there are many people alive today that did not have electricity in their homes growing up. And of course, millions of people living across the globe, in a world today that do not have electricity. And I would argue that that’s not necessarily a bad thing. So if you’re listening to the webinar, however, you undoubtedly have electricity, because you wouldn’t be able to listen to it without it. And as that’s the case, you definitely want to know how much you’re exposed to, as every single home is different. So I wish I could say you’ve got 30 volts per meter where you’re standing right now. But of course, there’s no way for me to know that because every single situation is different. So there’s actually two ways to test electric field. And you can see on this chart one is potential free, which means that we’re just using a meter to test what’s in the air. And the other is by using body voltage. And this method test was actually on your body. So you can see on the chart I have listed here that we have potential free, and the measurements there are in volts per meter, actually have a typo that M should be a little m, but that’s okay. Our goal is to have the reading below 3.3 volts per meter. And so these are the building biology guidelines. And the no concern range, that’s our goal for the sleeping area. And if you’re especially sensitive. Now, if you’re not that sensitive, you may be able to get by with readings a little bit higher, so up to 1.5 volts per meter. But when they go over

that we really need to do whatever we can to reduce the exposure. And then for body voltage, we tested millivolts. So our goal is to have the levels below 10 millivolts. If you’re not sensitive, you may be able to get you know, get away with a little more like stay up to 100. But over that and again, you really need to reduce your exposure. Alright, and these levels are you know, they can be difficult to achieve. So, measuring them to really know what you’re working with is important. So these are the electric field meters that I find to be the best for the lay person. When I’m doing a professional assessment, I use gigahertz NFA 1000 which like this, so you’ve probably seen meters out here. It looks kind of have like the white one in the picture here it is the same line. It’s just a lot more sensitive and more expensive than this white one. It’s you know, it’s an excellent meter, but it costs $2,000. So most people aren’t going to go out and spend $2,000 on a meter just to test their electric and magnetic fields, because

Unknown Speaker 15:18
it also tests magnetic fields.

Cathy Cooke 15:22
But this, the ones that I have listed here are all under $200. And they work quite well. So the one on the left is the cornet, the cornet Ed, ad T. And why I like this meter is because it tests, electric fields, magnetic fields, and radio frequency. So you’re getting three fields in one meter here. And it takes a bit of practice to learn how to use it, but it’s actually really simple. And for the price to get the sensitivity. And all three fields in one meter is, it’s really great, in my opinion. So in the middle, is the Bible to Demeter, and it sells for around 140 bucks. And the advantage of this meter is that it tells you exactly what’s being measured on your body. So you get a very clear picture of how much the electric field you’re being exposed to. And that meter, you know, so my NFA 1000, I can actually do potential free, and I can also do body voltage. And so any body voltage kit basically just comes with a cord that you hold on to like this. So that when you’re measuring, it’s it’s sensing, you know, what, what’s coming out of your body by holding on to this hand probe, it’s pretty cool. And it can be really effective for you to know, you know, not just what’s in the air, but actually what’s traveling on your body. Alright, and then the last meter, here’s the gigahertz solutions meter. And like I mentioned, there’s several in this series. This is the low end model, it’s for like $160. It measures both electric and magnetic fields, which is nice. And it’s it’s pretty good for the cost and for what you’re getting. So another popular meter here that I did not list is the trifield, TF two, it’s also a good one for the lay person. There, you know, plenty of other meters out there on the market. But I have it, I don’t really recommend any of the other ones to be quite honest, I’m sure there’s some out there that are perfectly fine. But among the ones that I know of, and that I’ve tested and I’ve worked with, the ones I’ve mentioned tonight, are really the only ones I that I would recommend. Some of the other ones out there just aren’t that accurate. And I would absolutely not spend any less on a meter. And I know, you know, people don’t want to spend a couple $100 on a meter. But if you spend less than anything that we’ve talked about here, it’s a waste of money, really, you’re not going to get any accuracy. And what you’re going to be testing is not going to be accurate, and I just really don’t recommend it. Okay, so let’s now go back to the bedroom, and learn how we would use these meters. So first, let’s say we’re going to measure potential free. So the most important thing for you to know, is high how high the fields are, where you spend the most amount of time. So, you know, we want to think of how higher the levels in the bed, in the couch at my workstation, right where you’re spending hours and hours a day. So

you take your meter, and you put it on electric fields, if it measures more than one field, and you put the meter on your pillow, for example. And then when you’re testing an electric field, it’s really important for you to take a step back. And really, you want to be about six feet or so away. Because it’s going to measure your body your body is electric, right you your body runs on electric fields. So the meter will pick up your own electric fields. And and this is a mistake that I see a lot of people doing is that they’ll measure the electric field and they’re holding it. And that’s not going to give you an accurate reading, because it’s reading your body’s electric field. So put it on your phone, we’ll take a step back and then see what your measurements are. And then give it a few seconds to calibrate and figure out what’s going on where it is. And then you want to actually move the meter in different directions. So if this was my meter here, I want to put it in the x axis, the y axis and the z axis right I need to put it in all three axes to make sure that I’m getting the proper measurement because the field could be coming out from the wall This way, this way. What are this way? Right all three axes. So make sure that you measure it with with the meter on all three axes, and then write it down. Okay, pay attention to the readings you’re getting. And then you want to have a, you know, a clipboard a notebook with you write down what you find, trust me on this, you think you’re going to remember, but I promise you, that you will forget, because you’re going to go around and test everything. And then you’re not going to remember what number you tested from where, so write it down. And then when you have it there, this, let’s say you find the highest reading, keep it in that position, and then you want to go around and unplug things, turn things off and on, turn on the light off, off and on, unplug the lamp, unplug the power strip, that’s by the bed, you know, turn everything off and on. So that you see actually how those things are contributing. So you’d be really surprised if, you know typically, when I’m doing a home assessment, I was just at one earlier today, and they had a power strip under the bed. But it was you know, I don’t know, a good three feet maybe. So they thought no big deal. I’m not standing right on top of power strip. But I was getting about 50 volts, no 25 volts per meter. And then when I just hit the power strip off, it went down by half, then went down to about 11. So that’s really dramatic. So you you need to, you know everything in the room, turn it on, turn it off, unplug it, plug it in and see how those different electrical components are contributing to your readings. And then when you have that, you know, basically you want to do that in all the rooms of your house, especially again, in those areas where you’re spending the most amount of time. Now, if you’re going to use the Bible to Demeter, then you’ll want to lay in the bed or on the couch, you know, in your desk chair and test while you hold on to the hand probe. So you turn the meter on to record the measurements. And you also want to move around. So when you’re, when you’re holding the hand probe, let’s say I’m I’m on my bed, and I just sit on my bed, and I’m holding the hand probe. But there’s a let’s say there’s a kitchens underneath me, and the lights are on, well, my feet are really close to those wires. So if I were to lift my feet up off the ground, and let’s say just laying the bed, generally, I will see the field be lower, because now my body isn’t in, it’s not as close to that electric field from the wires in the floor, from the lights in the kitchen. So you need to move around and you know, you want to walk around to see Oh, I get closer to this lamp, and my fields go up, or, you know, I get further back and my fields go down. So you want to get all of those variables. So that you get again, you get a good idea of what’s contributing to the specific environment. And that’ll give you a good idea of all I you know, I’m best over in this spot or over that spot with the lampoon flogged or whatever it is. Okay, and again, don’t forget to write it down. Right, always, always write it down.

So if you find that you have elevated fields, then you need to try and reduce them as best you can. And for more information on that because we there’s no way we could cover all of that tonight. Check out our other webinars like slashing EMF in the bedroom, and reducing EMF in your home office. Or better yet, book a console with me, you know, have your your numbers written down, we’ll console over zoom and then I can help you identify what that exposure is and what you can do about it to actually reduce your fields.

Unknown Speaker 24:05
Okay,

Cathy Cooke 24:06
now let’s look at our magnetic fields. So admittedly, this one gets a little bit more complicated. Um, sources of magnetic fields come from overhead or very power lines. That could be for wiring errors. That could be from current on your water pipes, your gas pipe, your cable, cable line or your phone line, or even from point sources, like appliances with variable speed motors, things like blenders hair dryers, electric razors, heat pumps, pool pumps, things like that. So there’s no way to know whether you have magnetic fields from your power lines, from your appliances, from your gas line, or from any source unless you test so I guarantee you that everybody has electric fields, whether or not you have magnetic fields. We don’t know unless you test Okay, so here are building biology guidelines for magnetic fields. And there’s two common measurements that that most building biologists use. One is milligauss, or mg. And the other is nano Tesla, or NT. So Nana, Tesla will actually give you a more sensitive reading. But most of my colleagues that I know measure in milligauss, just because it creates a, you know, easier discussion, because most of us are familiar with it, it doesn’t really matter which one you use, unless you’re extremely sensitive, then you probably want to use nano Tesla, so you can get a more accurate, sensitive reading. So your meter will likely use one or the other, some meters will let you choose which setting that you’d like to measure. And so, you know, just choose whatever one that you’re comfortable with. Okay, and so as you can see on the chart, our goal is for the measurements to be under point two milligauss. Or under 20. nano Tesla, if you get readings above those levels, then you either need to find the source, or you may want to consult with an expert to help you. Which I would highly recommend because, you know, if you’ve got a really strong magnetic field, you really need to figure that out. So here are the magnetic field meters that I recommend. And again, we’ve got the Cournot E, att. And again, we have the gigahertz solutions meter. And then the one in the middle is the alpha lab, Gauss meter, it only tests magnetic fields. And this is a great meter, if it’s in your budget to spend a little bit more, because it’s it has a little bit better accuracy, and it costs around $300. Okay, so to test the magnetic fields, you want to place it in area, again, where you spend the most amount of time just like with the electric fields. So now no matter what meter you have, you don’t have to worry about maintaining your distance with this meter, because it won’t actually be impacted by your body. So with the electric field meter, you know, though, we don’t want to hold it the magnetic field meter, no big deal, I hold this one in my hand, all the time, and I get my magnetic field readings. And it doesn’t matter if my body is close to it or not. Okay, so um, you get your meter, you put it say on your pillow, same protocols with the electric fields, turn it in all the directions, get the highest reading, write it down, I actually like to start outside the house. So when I’m at a person’s home, and I’m doing an assessment, I start outside on the sidewalk and walk towards the home or walk towards the front door. And I also do this in the backyard. So I get into the backyard, and then I walk towards the back door. And this helps me identify if there’s an external source, like from powerlines, or current on the water pipe. And this is really important because even sources that are at a distance from you, with the magnetic fields, they can actually extend quite far. So while some fields like say, a magnetic field from space heater, they usually drop off within a foot or two. But let’s say you’ve got a magnetic field from a power line that could extend

the entire your entire house, I mean, it will go for 10s of yards potentially. So that will actually help you identify, you know, if it drops off really quickly. Oh, there’s probably a device nearby a breaker panel that appliance, but if it keeps going and you’re walking far away from the house and the level is still really high, that’s probably something like, correct on the water pipes in the neighborhood, or an underground or overhead power line. Okay. So after you have identified what’s going on outside, then of course you go indoors, it’s really important that you test inside with everything on I want you to turn on all the lights, the washing machine dryer, plug in the TV, your radio, your air purifier, everything. This is really important because eating even sources that are distinct from you, like I mentioned, some of them can extend very far. And so if you do find elevated sources, then you want to start to turn things off one by one and watch your readings. So you know, again, right to have this, have your notebook and be writing this down. And note when the levels go down, and when you turn off the light, your levels go down. That’s really important when you’re unplugging appliances. Do your level levels go down when the furnace starts, stops turning know when the motor stops turning. So you want to take note of all of this because, of course, that helps helps you identify what the source of the elevated field is. And then you can do something about that, hopefully, in the case of overhead powerlines, there’s not anything you can do about it. But with these other sources, usually, there is a way to fix that. So if you find a simple point source, like an alarm clock, because ironically, this simple little alarm clocks are one of the highest fields that I test, they’re very high for some reason. Let’s say you found a high field on the alarm clock, easy, all you do is unplug it, use a battery powered one, this is a nice, you know, picture of a battery powered one right here that you could use, or you move it to the other side of the room. You know, that’s it’s a really easy fix.

Unknown Speaker 30:57
However, if

Cathy Cooke 30:58
you find an elevated field, which is more elusive, like it’s coming from the outside, or you think it’s from a wiring error inside your home, because it’s on when one lights on, and you know, you turn another light off in the distance, and it’s still there. And then the third line, it goes away, I mean, weird things like that, which happens, it’s very common, then, in that case, you definitely need a professional to help you. If you have identified something like a wiring error, which may or may not be clear to you, because it’s pretty tricky to understand how that works. But if there is an elevated field like that, when you’re turning lights off and on, then you need an electrician to fix that and they can with the appropriate language, a lot of times electricians won’t really understand what you’re trying to do. But you know, that’s where somebody like myself could help you, you know, have that conversation with the electrician so we can get it fixed. It’s, I mean, great news, you can fix it right? Now, if you have current on, say, your water pipe, then you need a plumber. Same thing, we have to have a conversation with the plumber about what needs to be done to get that current off the water pipe. But you know, the the takeaway here is that having a good meter is really important to help you identify whether or not you have an issue in the first place. So you know, again, admittedly, this is a difficult field to measure. If you’re concerned about the readings you get, then I strongly suggest you hire a building biologist. Or, you know, again, schedule a consult with me so that I can help guide you. This is, you know, it’s a lot to do for yourself and to tackle the mitigation. But you know, that’s why people like me exists so that you know, you can identify it, and then we can help guide you so that you can fix the problem, which is the great news. Okay, so next up, we have radio frequency. And that’s everyone’s favorite, right that these are the things that we all are aware of. These are all of our communication devices like cell phones and cell towers, smart meters, smart speakers, Wi Fi, fitness trackers, baby monitors, 5g, anything that sends information through there. And of course, you know that it’s very important to test radio frequencies, but it’s also really important to do it accurately so that you get really good accurate information seems like it should be pretty straightforward and for the most part it is but with the way our wireless devices work, sometimes it can get just a little tricky. And by the way, do not do this with your baby, please. Okay, so here are some of the radio frequency meters that I recommend. Again, we have the corner at 80 on the left, I’ve also included the trifield T, TF two in the center. To be completely honest with you I prefer the cornet over the trifield for the accuracy of the readings, but I know the trophy is very popular. If I was going to get get I would get the cornet Actually I have an older cornet. This was the first meter I ever bought. And I occasionally still will still use it if I’m in the car and I don’t know I don’t have my meters with me for some reason, because my meters are, you know, quite large.

Unknown Speaker 34:28
I

Cathy Cooke 34:28
can’t really get away with trying to be stealthy when I’m trying to measure something and not look like I’m chasing ghosts or something. Okay, and so then we have the second sound pro two on the right. And this is by far my favorite meter for the lay person to test radio frequency. It’s incredibly accurate. For the for the price, it’s Around $385, which I know is a little bit more expensive. But I think it’s worth every penny because the accuracy cannot be beat. I mean, I have many colleagues that use this as their primary meter when they’re out on an assessment, you know, they don’t want to carry around these big things, because I’ve got two of these that extend to different ranges, where you could just carry this around. And I do carry this around when I’m trying to be stuff like on an airplane, which I just measured recently, which was fun. But it’s great. It’s an excellent meter. And, you know, again, this is an investment, you got to think about this as an investment in your health and your family’s health. And it’s not like you’re just going to use this once, but you’re going to use it for years and years. And there’s going to be some new device in the neighborhood, and you want to know what it is. And so you want to whip out your meter. So I think it’s worth it for sure. The other great thing about this meter is that it has sound. I’ll demo this in a little bit. But the sound is really important, because each different source makes a different sound. So the sound will tell you what the source is. And then you can track down what the source is, and then hopefully mitigate it. So you’ll know if it’s a cell tower, you’ll know if it’s a Wi Fi router, you’ll know if it’s Bluetooth. And of course, there’s some sounds new sounds every day, in the assessment I was doing today, I discovered yet a new sound because there’s new devices on the market all the time. But that’s really an important piece of your detective work to help you identify what the sources and you know, with practice, you’ll begin to know what those sounds mean. It’s a little daunting in the beginning, but it’s it doesn’t take long for you to go Oh, that’s a Wi Fi router. Oh, that’s

Unknown Speaker 36:54
a phone.

Cathy Cooke 36:57
Okay, so all these meters that I’ve talked about, they are on my website. And they are also in the accompany ebook, on the shield your body has in shoulder by has references to a bunch more meters as well. Some more, some more expensive, some less expensive. Okay, and here are our building biology guidelines for radio frequency. So I’ve listed both the microwatts per square meter, that’s the first row. So the symbol for microwatts kind of looks like a little bit you. And then we have milliwatts per square meter, which is the second row. So as a building biologist, I really like to measure microwatts, because I want I want that lower reading, I want to get as low as possible with my readings, especially working with very sensitive people. Because when you’re testing in the milliwatt range, you can see, I mean, you could have one and you think oh well I have this one. But it’s it’s really not one milliwatt per square meter is actually 1000 microwatts per square meter. So it’s quite different. And I know, some of the common meters out there, like the trifield measures in milliwatts, which is another reason why I like something like the safe and sound pro because it tests in microwatts, which, for me, I think is really important. Okay, so you you know, I haven’t listed any numbers, or sorry, any meters hear that display only with lights. And there are several meters that you can get that just have LED lights on it. And it tells you, your frequency is low, it’s medium, it’s high, it’s extreme. Those are helpful. And I definitely recommend those over nothing. But if you’re going to be serious about testing your home, and you know, having this investment for a long time, I think it’s important for you to start to understand what those numbers mean, for your information, and you know, if you’re going to do a console with me, and you can say, well, it says my meter says it’s in the high range. Well, it’s gonna be much better for me to identify how severe Your problem is, if you say, well, the meter says it’s 550 microwatts per square meter. That’s, you know, gives me a lot more information. So I do recommend the meters with the numerical output, but you know, any meters better than no meter. Okay. So it tests the radio frequencies in your home, you want to start by testing outside just like that we do with the magnetic fields. So it’s really good to know what’s coming from the outside versus what’s inside your home. So the most common sound I hear on my meters when I’m outside of course is cell tower. Testing outside first allows me to understand how much of the inside exposure is from cell towers versus what’s inside the house. Occasionally, I’ll also pick up a neighbor’s router. But your neighbor’s devices are not as strong as you think. Usually, it has to be really strong for me to pick up your neighbor’s router in your yard, I might get a faint hint of it. But usually it’s it’s not much of a it’s not as big of an exposure, as you might expect. And once in a while, I’ll pick up someone’s security system like their ring, which again, it has to be a really high exposure. And sometimes they can really crank that power up. But generally speaking, those devices are far enough away that they’re not causing your home too big of an issue. Of course, there’s always exceptions. And it depends on how close your neighbors are, and how dense your neighborhood is. Alright, so when you have outside readings, and you’ve written them down,

Unknown Speaker 41:05
then

Cathy Cooke 41:06
you know, just getting a general picture of the outside, then I want you to move to your meters, your utility meter, your gas meter, and your water meter. So I have seen radiofrequency emitting devices on all of these different meters, depending on you know, where you are in the world. So for example, here in Boise, our utility meters do not emit radio frequency. And our power company did that intentionally. Because they wanted to avoid all the problems that other communities have had with their smart meters. However, they have radio frequency readings on the gas meters. And soon our water meters will also be the same. So why they think that you know, it’s okay to put radio frequency on a gas meter and not a smart meter or a utility meter, I don’t know, probably, because there’s not much awareness and discussion about these radio frequencies on your water or your gas meter. If there was a lot of public outcry, like there is with the utility meter, it may be different, but we definitely have it on the gas meter in the water meters here. Okay, so now here’s something important to note, when you are measuring the radio frequency, you actually want to stand up, about three feet away. So if I was going to test my computer, I don’t want it way up here, because that means I’m in the near field. And that is not an accurate reading. So in the near field, the magnetic in the electric fields are actually separated. And as you get away, depending on the source, let’s say three feet, then those fields come together, and now I get an accurate reading of the radio frequency. So if I’m testing my meter, gas meter water meter, I want to be roughly roughly three feet away from it to get an accurate reading. And that’s really, with all devices. But you know, for the sake of testing things like your phones and your computers, it’s not gonna hurt to get too closer, just know that your your, the numbers that you write down may not be as quite as accurate as you would expect. Okay. Also, when you’re doing things like your utility meters, you need to stand here for minutes, actually, they’re all configured differently. And some of them will pause, every five seconds, some of them will pulse every 30 seconds, some of them will do it intermittently with no pattern. I know my gas meter pulses at about 180 microwatts per square meter every minute. And then every five minutes, it pulses at about 17,000 microwatts per square meter. That’s really hot. But I had to sit here, you know, I stood here for about 10 minutes to get that pattern down to identify exactly what was happening. And I of course, confirmed that with other meters in the neighborhood. So your meters may or may not be that consistent. So you just got to stay in there for a while. And, you know, take your measurements. And that’s why having I mean, that’s the benefit of having a professional meter like this, I can actually datalog it. So I can put this on a table or a tripod, turn it on, set up all the specific settings. And then I can walk away for a half an hour, an hour, three hours, and then I take my chip out of here, put it in my computer. And it gives me this beautiful readout of exactly what happened over the course of that time. You know, an amazing thing for these professional meters, which you may or may not want to spend your money on but excellent excellent tool to have So once you have everything from outside, then you go indoors, and you’re going to test, you know everything in the house, track down the sources, the closer you get to a source, of course, the higher your readings are going to get. So that’s a great way to know what is happening in your environment. And, of course, you know, write everything down, turn things off and on, unplug your TV, unplug your Apple TV, your Roku, your firestick, whatever it is, until you figure out exactly what it is that’s contributing to your numbers. Okay, and finally, we have dirty electricity. So remember, you know, I’ve talked about this in more depth in other webinars, but then electricity is when we have an altered sine wave or frequencies other than a 60 hertz if you’re in the US, or 50 hertz, if you’re in Europe. So here are some of the most common meters to measure dirty electricity. And the first one I have listed here is the green wave or alpha labs.

And in the middle, we have the graham stetzer meter. And then while these two usually run about $125, and they’re meant for any of us to use them, because all we do is plug them in, and we get a reading. And it’s very, very, very easy. It’s the simplest meter to use, we just plug it into an outlet, and there’s our reading. And then I do use these one on one assessments, and then I use the Scylla scope two, which is the meter on the right. You know, these are meant for an EMF professional or electrical engineers. But the beautiful thing about these is that it gives me this this visual sine wave. So it helps me further identify what some of the sources are. So but you know, the greenwave, and the grant sets are gonna work well. So here’s some of the guidelines to use for dirty electricity. Please note, these are not official building biology guidelines here. And that is because the this phenomenon of dirty electricity is relatively new. And we are still, you know, the institute is still trying to define the accurate numbers. And so the numbers I have listed here are partially what the manufacturers of the filters and the meters states, and partially what many of my colleagues have come to expect in the field. So take these with a grain of salt, because they are not official, but they are they give you a ballpark figure to really work from. Okay, so like I mentioned, these meters are very simple to use, you just plug them in, and you get a reading. And you want to do this with many outlets throughout your house. So oftentimes, you’ll get similar readings and different outlets on the same circuit. But a different circuits in the house often will be very different. So you can’t just measure one outlet, you got to measure many, and you got to you know, go from to every room. And again, you want to turn things on, turn things off, because you will be surprised you turn a light on. And I find this all the time. I’m like, Oh, your numbers are really low, I have 25 grams steps or units. And then I turn on their overhead light, which is an LED and boom, I’ve got 1000 right, it’s that dramatic. So you got to make sure that whatever you’re using in the house, the furnace, the air conditioner, the computer charger, you know, your electric car, when you plug it in, that’ll give you really high readings, whatever anything and everything you can in your house, turn it on and see if it makes a difference on your readings. Plug it in, unplug it, etc.

Unknown Speaker 49:09
Okay,

Cathy Cooke 49:12
so this Oh, yeah, so this reading here. Okay, this is I took these measurements in my kitchen, as in a normal situation. So I often will work on my computer laptop at my kitchen table. And I just decided to test this the other day. I got some elevated readings on the filters as you can see, and then the only thing I did was I said, oh, I’ve got my computer laptop charger plugged in right there. So I unplugged it. And this is what I got. So they dropped the ratings dropped by three quarters at least just by me unplugging my computer charger. So now I know Okay, when I I’m working in the kitchen or wherever I’m working, it’s probably best for me to work on on the battery as much as possible, rather than using the computer plugged in. Alright, now, I want to do a little demo. So I’m going to, well, no, I wanted to make me full size for you guys to see. I don’t know if I can do that, though. Let me go back to here. Well, you guys can hopefully see me in the corner here. So I’m going to do a little demo of some of these meters. So you saw I had the NFA. And, you know, this is really easy, you just, you’re gonna turn it on. And basically take your reading, right? This is the magnetic fields, and I can just, you know, I’ve got point three milligauss in here, which is great. And then I put it on the electric field reading. I’m, even though I’m, I’m holding it, it’s actually pretty low. Now, if I were to get close to the computer, it’s going to go up, or if I get closer to the wall, I don’t know, let’s see if I can get you to see that. So as I get closer to the wall, it goes way, way, way up. I’m at 130 volts premiere because I’m close to block, right. So, um, you know, again, pretty easy to use that. Now I do want to show you especially want you to hear the sound on the safe and sound pro too. So I shouldn’t get anything on this meter. I shouldn’t hear anything or get any reading because I don’t have any wireless devices in this house. Okay. So that, that sound that’s a cell tower. Okay, that’s the sound of the cell tower. And I’ve got about one to 30 microwatts per square meter. Um, there’s a cell tower about half a mile away. So that’s that it’s not that bad. I’m going to turn on my phone now. And I’m going to let you guys hear what that looks like. So my phone is in airplane mode 99% of the time. No, let’s listen to what happens when I turn it on.

I gotta turn that off, because it’s excruciating. Um, I’m going to turn the sound off. But you can see if you can see, you may or may not be able to see that I got a spike of up to 71,700 microwatts per square meter from my phone. And right now I’m at eight. So huge difference right. Now I want to show you another thing you can do. Like let’s say you wanted to test a product that you bought, right, so I just got this new sling bag from shield your body, which I’m kind of in love with. It’s actually really awesome. So I’m going to turn the sound back on. So you can see I’m at about Let me clear it out. I’m getting about 2030 microwatts per square meter. Now, turn my phone on.

Unknown Speaker 53:55
You guys hear that? Someone in the neighborhood just turned on a microwave.

Unknown Speaker 54:01
That is my neighbor’s microwave.

Unknown Speaker 54:04
And I’m getting six to 700 microwatts per square meter from that. Wow.

Cathy Cooke 54:13
That was actually just kind of serendipitous that that happened. I did not ask my neighbor to turn their microwave on. But that’s what

Unknown Speaker 54:20
it sounds like.

Unknown Speaker 54:22
And now it’s done.

Cathy Cooke 54:25
Okay, so um, okay, so we’re gonna test this again. Put that down real quick.

Unknown Speaker 54:34
And

Cathy Cooke 54:39
I’m going to turn the phone on. So you can hear that

Unknown Speaker 54:45
I’ve got 245,000 microwatts per square meter.

Unknown Speaker 54:52
Now

Unknown Speaker 54:54
I’m gonna drop my phone in the bag.

Cathy Cooke 55:00
I’ve got about nearly set it here got about 290 microwatts per square meter. Now, actually, now I’ve got 100 100 to 1000. And if I take the phone back out hear that again. So that’s really effective. So it sounds a little annoying, I got this cell tower in the background. But that’s a great way to just test your products, right, you just turn turn everything on the Wi Fi, the Bluetooth, the the cellular data and you test that way, and it will show you with the sound and the reading right on your meter. And that’s, that’s it, that’s really all there is to it, it’s quite easy. So that’s, you know, that’s really all it all it takes to use your meters. Pretty simple. So let me move on here. Oh, my computer’s not letting me, Vince. There we go. So, um, yeah, so that’s really it. And I get that it might not be really simple for you in the beginning, but really just a little bit of practice makes a big difference. And I’ll get easier and easier. You know, these are the basic measures that we use when we’re measuring Of course, there are some more complicated measurements that you want to do. You know, when I’m at every client’s house, I’m using clamp ons, so that I can test the cable line and I can put a filter on the cable line or the water pipe, you know, I want to make sure that there’s no current going on at pnnl in the house at all. So for those types of readings, you know, you really do need a building biologist. And of course, I always recommend that you hire a professional, like I’ve said so many times, because it’s just so important to make sure that you get a thorough assessment of your home. But as we’ve seen today, there’s so much that you can do on your own. And this is especially important if there isn’t an EMF professional in your area, right you want to be you want to be able to take control of your situation. Of course, many of us travel,

Unknown Speaker 57:22
I

Cathy Cooke 57:22
travel in fact, I’m going to be doing assessments on all over the Rocky Mountain states, the spring and summer, as well as California. So if you live in Utah, Arizona, and New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, California, Wyoming, any of these states, I’m going to be doing some assessments, and we’ll be doing a big circuit so that I can do in home assessments on while I’m on the road, that’s a great opportunity for you to get an in home assessment if you need it. In the meantime, like we’ve demonstrated, having your own meter and knowing how to use it is really invaluable. So having that information enables you to consult remotely with a professional like me. And like I mentioned a few times, you know, you can always consult with me right here through si B’s so I can help you understand what your readings mean, and guide you on how to mitigate and how to reduce that exposure for your very specific situation. Because every situation is different. So becoming proficient with your meter for your home, will also help you understand when things change, right. So remember, this isn’t like a one and done type of thing. You don’t just measure once. And then that’s it because things constantly change your neighbor turns on their microwave, right? I mean, we don’t really need to worry about that, because it’s hopefully not on all the time. But maybe a 5g Tower gets put up near you. And now you need to re measure. Or maybe they changed out the utility meter. And you want to know if it’s emitting or your gas meter, things are constantly changing. So you always want to have the ability to measure so that you can really stay on top of that. And of course, when you’re moving into a new home, whether you’re renting or buying, knowing how to take the measurements will help inform your decision and whether or not you feel like it’s a safe place for you to live. And with that, that was a general overview of how to test for your home. There’s a lot of information. I see that we’ve got quite a few questions in the chat. But I i before we get to that I know that our has a few things he would like to discuss. So I’m going to stop sharing and send it back to him. Looks like he’s grabbing that right now.

R Blank 59:53
Everyone, I’m back. Kathy, that was fantastic. Thank you so much. We’ll get to QA as you said, there have been a lot of questions. I’ve tried to answer some of them. But there’s still a lot queued up. Quickly, before we get to QA, I have a special offer for everyone here. So you’ve now seen how knowledgeable Kathy is about EMF. And I know some of you have actually been to a few of our past webinars. So you see how broad her knowledge is. She’s really an amazing resource. And she generously donate so much of her time to the community with her advocacy work. And with her webinars like this one. This is now actually her sixth webinar for us Why be and Kathy that that’s really a lot of information that you so generously given out to my community. And I really want to thank you both for myself. And on behalf of everyone here and everyone who watches the the archives on our YouTube channel. So today, Kathy gave you a really great overview of at home testing, it’s definitely more than enough information for you to get started. And that’s the whole point of this month’s content about EMF testing, to give you the information and confidence so you can start testing for yourself. Because I really do believe it is the most vital skill for anyone who worries about their EMF exposure and wants to reduce it. Now while this is more than enough to get you started, there are always going to be more questions as as we see here in the q&a pod that’s continuing to pile up. What does a certain measurement mean? How can I get one measurement on one meter and a different result on another? What do all the settings mean? On my meter? What’s the optimal distance to figure out what my exposure is? And more questions like that? It’s precisely because I understand so many of you have these types of questions that I’ve created si B home testing, consulting, which I believe Kathy mentioned a couple of times in her presentation. It’s the newest type of consulting that we offer here at SY B. It has all the same great benefits of our general EMF consulting, you can be anywhere you get personalized attention, custom advice from a real EMF expert. And I mean a real expert, because Kathy, our senior EMF specialist is our lead consultant. That’s right, you can book personal consulting time with Kathy, who gave you today’s outstanding webinar. With si B consulting, you don’t have to rely on random information that you find online. And you don’t have to spend hours searching for answers to your specific questions, which may or may not exist out there and may or may not be correct. In short, you can get precise answers and accurate information from a certified EMF expert. Now, while our si P Consulting is great for general questions about EMF and EMF protection, our new home testing consulting is specifically designed for you to get all your questions answered about testing specifically, this is the only service available in the world that allows you to book a quick session to get your EMF testing questions answered by a certified expert from the comfort of your own home, and really the only one in the world. And so I have a special offer for those of you in attendance today. And this is just for those of you in attendance today. You don’t have to take it right now you have a few hours. This code lasts until midnight tonight, because I’m so excited about this new service. And because I am a huge advocate of more people becoming comfortable with EMF testing. And because all of you have taken the time to participate in this webinar, and learn more about this vital skill. I’m excited to offer you a 40% discount. So if you book your consulting session before midnight tonight, that’s midnight pacific time, you can save 40% on your session with Kathy, just visit this URL that shield your body comm slash home test. Pick a time that works for you. It can be in the next five weeks and enter test 40 at checkout. Remember, this offer expires at midnight tonight. So don’t miss your chance to get these massive savings on expert tests and consulting with Kathy. Okay, so with that, let’s get into some q&a. And I’m going to turn off the video because I’m just gonna have to turn my head so much to keep going back and forth. So I’m going to start with some of the questions that were submitted in advance and then get into some that that were asked live in the room so I’m gonna scan here for some Okay,

Unknown Speaker 1:04:42
sorry, why not? I

Cathy Cooke 1:04:44
just wanted to mention real quickly. Somebody had put in the chat about the measurements I got when I put my phone in the the sling bag and I just wanted to clarify that because I what that meant because they said It sounded like I was still getting a high rating. But so this is, this is important to know. Because you got to take into account just like when I have my meter here, and I’ve got whatever product that I’m testing, and I put my phone in here, this meter is not going to drop to zero, unless I’m in an environment where I have zero. But remember, my my neighbor turned on their microwave, I had some cell tower going on. So my meter still picking up all of that. So I went from 17,000, down to about 1000, which is I, in my professional opinion, very, very impressive. And you got to consider that I was still getting those other exposures. So my meter is still gonna pick up that other stuff, right? So I think that’s really important to know, because I get questions all the time from people about their products, and they’re saying, well, I measured this thing, and it didn’t work.

Unknown Speaker 1:05:54
Well, what other variables are going

Cathy Cooke 1:05:57
on in your environment, it’s important to get, you know, an accurate reading of all all of the variables to determine whether or not your product is effective for you. So I just wanted to clarify that real quick.

R Blank 1:06:10
Thank you. Great point, Kathy. And yeah, that’s, that’s, that’s part of also what’s covered in the book. So actually, let me because I in case people didn’t get that link, it was emailed to you. But I’m trying to look for the chat. I can’t it’s kind of a mate. Oh, cuz I’m sharing my screen. I can’t hold on.

Unknown Speaker 1:06:39
Yeah, well, you do that?

R Blank 1:06:40
Wouldn’t you know that I had a 20 year career software engineering. Well, I’m using zoom tonight. There you go, everyone. That’s the link to download the E book that Kathy and I both been mentioning tonight. And in there, it talks about things like measuring background radiation levels, and certain limitations of testing, particularly near field with these types of meters. So thank you for bringing up that point, Kathy. So I’m going to some of the questions here. When I measure a laptop without the power cord plugged in, I get high magnetic fields, are these DC magnetic fields? Are they an issue? So this person is asking their you know, because they’re not plugged into AC power? Where are those magnetic fields coming from?

Cathy Cooke 1:07:26
Um, because so they’re they’re saying when they plug their computer in, they get high readings right.

R Blank 1:07:35
Now when it’s when it’s not plugged in, oh, wall

Cathy Cooke 1:07:37
when the wall? Well? What are the my question would be what are the readings when the computer is not there. So first, if you want to test the readings on your computer, the first thing you need to do is you know, you have your you have your computer, your laptop in another room, and then you test where you’re going to put the laptop, right, so I get my baseline reading. And then I bring the laptop over and then compare the difference. So that’s important because, um, let’s so in my home, for example, like I mentioned, I often will work at the kitchen table just because I have a lot of light and have Windows around it. And when I am working there, I’ve got like, I don’t know 10 to 15 volts per meter, which is higher than I want it. And then I plugged my computer in. And the readings don’t really change that much. They’re still there and I unplugged my computer. And it might go down just a little bit. However, if I take my laptop into, like in my office, and not this office and other office, and my desk is actually in the very center of the room, and I only have one volt per meter in that spot. So when I bring my computer into that spot, I have 88 volts per meter on my computer, but when I plug it in, it goes down to one. Okay, so this might be like, What are you talking about? So what’s happening here is if I’m working on a computer, and I’m within, I don’t know two or three feet from a wall, the electric field on that wall will couple onto the wires of my computer charger or my ethernet cord and it will create an elevated field because I’ve got all these wires for those electrons to jump onto. But if I’m in the middle of the room where there is no electric field, my computer does have a field but I plug it in and I ground it in and then it takes it away to the ground. So it’s a completely different situation same computer, but it has to do with how close I am to the wires and what else is going on around Around the computer. So I hope that’s clear. But you got to get a initial baseline testing first and then bring your computer into the situation, plug it in, and then unplug it to see how that changes it. Because if you’ve already got a big existing electric field just from the wires in your walls, then you’re going to have one with your computer too. So I know that that makes it a little bit challenging. But it’s it’s one of these situations where you’ve got to know what else is going on before you bring the computer in.

R Blank 1:10:32
Thank you. So here’s, here’s a good one. I’ll ask one or two more from the pre submitted and then we’ll get to the live ones. How to accurately test using a single access device. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 1:10:46
well,

Cathy Cooke 1:10:47
you know, it’s not much different than a three axis device. And because I said, you know, you want to put your meter in all axes, um, even though it might be a tri axis device, you still want to do that. Because the you can still get a little bit different readings, depending on the antenna on this meter, I believe is up here. So if my field is coming from over here, it’s going to be I’m going to get a higher reading when I turn it this way, right. So with the three axes, you still you still do the same thing. You just got to make sure that you test in each different axis. And, you know, figure out where you’re getting the highest reading and record that reading. So you just always got to be turning the meter to make sure you’re getting the most accurate reading.

R Blank 1:11:42
Thank you. Next question. Why are the RF reading so different? On the safe and sound? And the trifield? TF two?

Unknown Speaker 1:11:51
Haha.

Unknown Speaker 1:11:54
The radio was it. Which field the radio frequency?

R Blank 1:11:57
Yeah, the what the RF readings

Cathy Cooke 1:11:59
on the safe and sound and the trifield to? Well, okay, one because the safe and sound pro uses microwatts per square meter. Okay, the trifield two uses milliwatts. So if you didn’t do your conversion that you make, that may be the reason why. So if I have 1000 on the safe and sound pro two, and I have point zero zeros or one on the trifield. Two, it’s because I’m testing in microwatts versus milliwatts. So that’s one reason. The other reason is because the safe and sound pro two is just way, way, way more sensitive. It just takes more accurate readings. I mean, this is $380 versus $160 with three different fields. So there’s just a lot more engineering into this meter to make it more accurate.

R Blank 1:12:57
Thank you. I’m going to scroll through these questions to try to at least start with because there’s a lot and to try to start with ones that are most related to the topic for tonight. So here’s one which I so this Amy was given a new EMF meter. And it’s made by a company called TAC life. Is it any good? Have you ever heard of that brand?

Unknown Speaker 1:13:27
I have not.

R Blank 1:13:29
Oh, okay, neither, neither have I. Sorry. Sorry. I mean, I would just say I mean, you can look at the price, just if you look it up on Amazon or something. And if it’s under 100? Well, really, if it’s under 150. But there’s a lot of these that are available for under 100. And those are almost useless. Yeah, so that would be the first thing I would look at. But in general, we obviously there’s the set of meters that we recommend, we don’t sell meters. So our recommendations are entirely devoid of our we’re not trying to sell our own meters. This is just based off of our experience. Thank you. Okay, so Jenny asks, What is the name of the body voltage meter that you recommend? And that that would be great too, because that I don’t cover that in the E book.

Cathy Cooke 1:14:18
Yeah. That one comes from safe living technologies, the one that I have listed there that they have one and also sleep. What is it EMF sleep safe. They both have a body voltage meter. It’s on my website. You can well it’s actually not on my website. The sleep the EMF sleep safe is on my website. And then safe living technologies is where you can get that EMF meter. I have a discount code. I’ll put it in the chat in case you want you there you go safe living technologies. And then you can save 5%. With this code, I put in the chat there, if you wanted that it’s a good one. It’s a good, it’s a good meter.

R Blank 1:15:13
Thank you, Jenny. And just a reminder to everybody that we are actually giving away a safe and sound pro to meter next week. So if you haven’t entered, let me just put that in here one more time. And we give away we give away cool stuff every month. So the next giveaway is, is the safe and sound pro two, and that’ll be next week. Okay, Grace asks, Where can you buy these meters? And I know there’s not one answer. I mean, so I’ll just jump in. So for some of the brands, like the trifield, like the cornet, you can find those on Amazon. But I don’t believe the safe the safe and sound is available on Amazon. Is that right, Kathy?

Cathy Cooke 1:16:03
Oh, let’s see. Um, I don’t know if they have a store on Amazon. I mean, I just got I’ve just go to their website. I mean, yeah, safe living technologies, this. So the safe and sound Pro is actually manufactured by safe living technologies. The owner of the company, Rob Metzger, is actually one of our teachers in the building biology Institute. And then they created this meter. So this is their meter. So I would just get it directly off their website, I have it on my website, if you, you know, click on there on the link, if you you know, need a quick reference. And then yeah, that’s I would go right there. And that code I put in the chat will save you 5% on anything in their store.

R Blank 1:16:54
Great. And most of the meters that you covered tonight are also mentioned in the E book, and those are all linked out of the E book as well. Okay. You’re welcome, Grace. Where’s the code? Oh, Kathy, you posted here? Oh, yeah. posted to the panelists. Here. Let me

Cathy Cooke 1:17:15
please. Yeah, I

R Blank 1:17:17
got you. Okay, great. Thank you. Okay, I really liked this question. And I’m interested to hear Oh, so Kathy just pasted the code into the chat for everybody. This next question. I’m really interested to hear your take on it. So Diana asks, How do you read the measurement on the electric field meter? If you’re six feet away? If you step back to read the measurement, this will affect the measurement?

Cathy Cooke 1:17:45
That’s fine.

R Blank 1:17:46
Yeah. That’s like the one hand clapping.

Cathy Cooke 1:17:49
You can you can see. I mean, you just it’s not, there’s not you know, it’s nighttime here. So it’s dark. But you’ll you can see it you. I mean, if you’re six feet away, it seems it seems like that might be a far distance, but I can see my meter right here. It Yeah, it’s not a it’s not an issue you’ll get this screen is bright enough that you’ll see that measurement.

R Blank 1:18:15
Thank you. Okay. Let’s see. Okay. Alicia asks, How can we test all the outside items if we live in apartments?

Cathy Cooke 1:18:34
Oh, yeah, apartments, that’s, that makes everything has a whole nother layer of complexity when you live in an apartment.

Unknown Speaker 1:18:42
I mean, you still go

Cathy Cooke 1:18:44
outside, right, you can still go outside the apartment building and measure if you’re in a really dense area, I mean, I’d still just stick my hand out the window, honestly. You know,

Unknown Speaker 1:18:57
I

Cathy Cooke 1:18:58
mean, I’ve done that quite a bit. You just have your meter. And you just do your best, right, you just do your best to hold it out. Out the window. And honestly, what the most the thing that you’re going to get, and the outside mostly is that cell tower signal. And you can hear it. So let’s see. Can you hear that? Well, that like high pitched, that’s a cell tower. So if you hear that you don’t really need to be outside. for that. I just know that’s a cell tower because of the sound. And so I know how much cell towers coming in through my windows. So you know, you don’t have to go outside. It just helps give you a baseline of what’s going on. And you know, you can go outside and walk around the building as well. But what’s most important is what’s in your space. So in really even just going to the windows so the windows are the weakest spot in a home. So if you go to your windows and measure it’ll probably be different then You know what’s on the inside? And now we’ll give you some more information as well.

R Blank 1:20:04
Thank you. Okay, I’m gonna jump here to to anonymous attendee. And this question is actually I wear my, my head was at when I read you that six foot question. So I misunderstood the six foot question. I’m glad you got that. But anonymous attendee asks how inaccurate or near field measurements? How would I measure my exposure when sitting in my computer? And this gets to something that Kathy, I often wonder about, and I know you and I’ve talked about it. But a lot of these meters say you need to be a wavelength away from the source in order to get, you know, an accurate measurement. But what if the thing you’re trying to measure is something that’s near you? Like, how can you gauge the exposure of a near field exposure with the type of equipment or how inaccurate with the measurement be with the type of equipment we’re advocating?

Cathy Cooke 1:21:04
Um, I honestly don’t think that it’s hugely important to get stuck in that minutiae. It’s going to give you a relative idea of if your level is very high, or very low. And so, you know, if, if I am in I mean, if I test 345,000 microwatts per square meter next to my phone, which I do, and I did, you know, a couple wavelengths away, and I’ve got, I don’t know, 80,000, it’s still a noxious Lehigh. So you’re still be in the ballpark, of, of, of the measurement telling you, you’re high, or you’re in the middle, or you’re low. So it’s not like you’re gonna be in the near field, and it’s gonna say, you’re at a million, and you get a couple wavelengths back, and suddenly, you’re too, right, that’s not gonna happen. So, I mean, we mentioned that because we want to be accurate. But you don’t really need to be that concerned about it, because it’s still going to give you the information you want, which is, are my levels way too high? And do I need to mitigate this? Or am I in a safe zone, and it’s gonna be pretty close to accurate and giving you that piece of information?

R Blank 1:22:30
Thank you. So Steve, has a question. And it, I think you started to touch on it towards the end of your presentation, but I’m gonna ask it for him anyway. I haven’t watched a phone cover that shields my phone. But when I test the RF with the trifield, it doesn’t seem to show any difference with the cover on or off. I am EMF sensitive, and know that it’s working. So because just because of the symptoms that he feels, so what’s going on here or what, I guess more accurate, what could be going on here is it is being too close in the near field causing a problem. Or, you know, what, what could be going on? In terms of him? him doing an at home test with the trifield? of of his phone case?

Cathy Cooke 1:23:17
Right? Okay. Well, many things.

Unknown Speaker 1:23:22
So,

Cathy Cooke 1:23:22
um, it’s a phone case. Did you mention the brand?

R Blank 1:23:26
You did not?

Cathy Cooke 1:23:27
Okay. So I’m gonna assume it’s a phone case that opens and closes like this.

R Blank 1:23:34
Yeah, he called cuz he said the cover on or off? So yeah.

Cathy Cooke 1:23:37
Okay, because a pouch is gonna react completely different than a case. So with the case, with the case, you’ve still got, you know, the all the sides exposed. Um, so a case reacts differently than a pouch. But that’s I guess you’re relevant in this case, because you’re saying that you can feel the difference. So part of what I would want to know is what what is the ambient level to begin with? And what how is the phone changing? You know, what is the difference between the ambient levels and the phone? Second, I’m curious about the accuracy of the meter. If it’s an older trifield, those older trifield I don’t even they’re not even worth it, to be honest, because they’re highly, highly inaccurate. So you may have some inaccuracies or inaccuracies with the meter. And it is true that if you are in the near field, your readings may be a little skewed. I’m thinking about this and it’s really difficult for me to give you a good answer without seeing

R Blank 1:25:00
Okay, yeah, no, that makes sense.

Cathy Cooke 1:25:02
Yeah, I mean, I’m on calls with electrical engineers every week. And we’re troubleshooting stuff. And someone will say, Hey, I have this situation. And there’s a couple guys that are on the call. And they’ll say, I can’t if I can’t see the picture, I can’t help you. Because we’re like, Can you just tell me the answer? Like, if I can’t see it? I don’t know what, what’s going on in the environment? So it makes it a little bit difficult to, to answer. So if, you know, the question is, if you’re in the near field, is that making a difference? It’s possible. The other thing is I would want to know, like, Where’s the antenna? You know, the antenna on your trifield versus where you’re putting it on the phone? Because the antenna and the placement on the phone or near the phone will make a difference? So I don’t I mean, there’s so many variables here. I’m not sure I can give you have a clear answer.

R Blank 1:25:55
No, that was that was I thought that was helpful. Thank you.

Cathy Cooke 1:25:58
Okay. Yeah, at the end of the day, you’re your own best meter. So you’re, you know,

R Blank 1:26:02
exactly, exactly. Okay, this is another sort of similar but to to an earlier question, but when you show the picture of testing dirty electricity in your own house, you had two meters in your hand. Why didn’t their numbers agree?

Cathy Cooke 1:26:22
Um, because they Yeah. I knew I knew questions about that might come up, they tested different.

Unknown Speaker 1:26:31
Okay, this

Cathy Cooke 1:26:33
meter test in millivolts. And this gram stetzer meter tests in gram stetzer units, which are just their own thing. So they’re not the same. They’re not the same numerical measurements. So they are different. Oh, thank you. Yep. And that’s why on the the guide, the number of guidelines, I showed the gram stetzer numbers that we want to achieve. And I showed the green wave, or alpha labs numbers that we want to achieve. They’re different.

R Blank 1:27:05
I’m going through here. Okay, this is not really a testing question. But it’s an interesting lifestyle, one. It and you are more disciplined and diligent about really slashing EMF in your environment as much as possible. I, I am much more diligent and disciplined about that than almost everyone I know. Except for you. So I’d like I think everyone here would appreciate hearing your answer to this question, which is if your phone is in airplane mode 99% of the time, how did you adapt your communications and lifestyle? To achieve that? How many how many friendships? Did you lose?

Cathy Cooke 1:27:58
Friends?

Unknown Speaker 1:28:02
Um, no, well, what

Cathy Cooke 1:28:04
I do is I have a Google Voice number. And I’m working on finding an alternate to that for various reasons. But right now, what I do is I have another number, it’s an Idaho number that I got for free from Google Voice. And people can text me on that number, it goes to my computer, and people can call me whenever my computer is on. And I have it open, which is pretty much all the time. And I I just talk to the computer just like I’m doing right now. And that’s how I make my phone calls.

R Blank 1:28:40
And so you should explain also then, people might assume this, but your computer is hardwired?

Cathy Cooke 1:28:49
Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yes. So my computer is hardwired. I’ve got an ethernet cord. You know, to to my computer. I don’t know if you can see it. And it’s this ethernet cord is connected to a switch which is connected to a router and I don’t have any Wi Fi so I could talk you know like right now I have like I showed with my with my safe and sound pro I’ve got very low readings because I don’t have any wireless anything on in the house right now even though I’m communicating and even though somebody could call me right now. or text me or whatever, I don’t have any radio frequency.

R Blank 1:29:31
And to Tobias just mention this, but I know you use this also that that you you can connect your phone with Ethernet. Yeah, as well.

Cathy Cooke 1:29:40
Yep, you can get a little adapter that you plug into your phone and then you put the ethernet cord into the phone. You can’t make a phone call that way but you can use all the other apps so you can use Google Voice or Skype or whatever apps or whatever you want to use. You

R Blank 1:29:57
can do it that WhatsApp

Unknown Speaker 1:29:58
yeah good.

Unknown Speaker 1:29:59
Yeah, good

Unknown Speaker 1:30:00
point.

R Blank 1:30:01
Thank you. Thank you, Kathy. And thank you, Jenny, that was a great question.

Let’s see. Okay. Courtney asks, Can you tell the direction of the RF source from the meter mine reads high, highly different depending on what direction it is oriented?

Cathy Cooke 1:30:26
Yeah. Um, well, yes. So like, if I need to find the direction on my meter I, so this is my meter, my professional meter that has an omnidirectional antenna. So I turn it on, and it tells me what’s going on in the area, right, and I’ve got, man, I’ve got really low readings here. But I can hear something. And I don’t know where it’s coming from. So I’ll switch out the antenna. And so by switching out the antenna to just the directional antenna, now I can pinpoint where that’s coming from in, I did show some of you can get these gigahertz solutions meters, I mean, this one was like, I don’t know, 1200 13 $100 or something. But you can get much cheaper versions of this with these directional antennas. And that will help you pinpoint it. Now, if you’ve got like a cornet or some of these others that don’t have antennas, it makes it more difficult. But just you know, it should go higher, when you’re turning towards the direction of whatever where it’s coming from. But it this is where this field just gets very complicated, you got to keep in mind the physics of how radio frequencies work. So they’re going to come into your house to the window, they’re going to bounce off a piece of metal, then they’re going to go to the computer screen, and then they’re going to come over here. So it’s not always as easy as that. So I might get a high reading right here, because I’m pointing to the wall because it’s bouncing from the outside to that wall over to here. So it gets complicated, and you do your best to walk towards the direction when the numbers are going higher. And then just keep in mind the physics piece of it. Because if it takes you to a dead end, then you know that there’s something bouncing around. And you know, I wish there was an easier way to know that with some of these more expensive meters. But that’s just the limitations, you know, of the more expensive meters and why professionals like us have to spend so much money on these more expensive meters, unfortunately, but you just do your best with that.

R Blank 1:32:56
Thank you. So let’s see. Okay, another one from Courtney. And it’s the only benefit of the safe and sound pro over the cornet is that the precision is better she’s just trying to understand well she’s she’s trying to evaluate if what would make the safe because she already owns a cornet is just trying to understand what might what might justify her upgrading.

Cathy Cooke 1:33:32
Yeah, the accuracy. Um, but you know, if you have a coordinate and you’ve been doing well with it, and you, you know, your numbers are low, and you feel alright, like, I guess, for highly highly sensitive people, they’re going to need to invest in a little bit more equipment. So that they can get their numbers as low as possible. Because they’re just, I mean, I know people that you know, can’t even go outside unless their numbers are below one microwatts per square meter, which is incredibly low. But if you’re if you have the corner and you’re doing well with that, then it may be okay, so I’ve got a coordinate right here and I’ve got my safe and sound pro now this is a much older one, but I can I can see I can just do a quick reading here. So on the coordinate I’m getting let’s see 40 milliwatts per square meter and on the safe and sound pro I’m getting 20 micro watts. So that’s actually pretty different. Honestly, it’s in it’s actually I’m getting no I take it back. I’m getting point 00 45 milliwatts on the cornet and I’m getting 30 micro watts. On a safe and sound Pro, so that’s in the ballpark. Actually, that’s, that’s pretty close, actually. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean by that, by that reading, I’d be like you, you’re probably fine with your corner and I like this one over all of the rest, if you’re not gonna upgrade, so you might not need to.

R Blank 1:35:22
Really Yeah, and I also want to point out because there’s the cornet Ed at a T. And then there’s the cornet e v, 88, t plus, and I and the E book mentions this, the plus is the one that also does low frequency, and in the end, so that’s the one I if people are considering coordinate to go for the Plus, it’s not that big of price differences. I recall

Cathy Cooke 1:35:50
that one too.

R Blank 1:35:51
I thought there was a there was a it doesn’t come with an antenna, but I thought there was space for an antenna on the cornet, is that not?

Cathy Cooke 1:35:59
I think the plus comes with the antenna so that you can datalog

R Blank 1:36:03
Okay.

Unknown Speaker 1:36:05
Or,

Cathy Cooke 1:36:06
or maybe that’s maybe the antenna is irrelevant to datalogging. But I think with the plus you can datalog.

R Blank 1:36:13
So there’s two questions here. I’m going to click to answer Christie’s but anonymous, also West, anonymous, that’s what your website is. Christy is asking if you could come to Central Oregon, because she’s checked in, there’s no building biologists there. And you’d mentioned you’re, you’re going on tour. And so I don’t know if you’d want to paste your URL or, or if people are, if they live in the regions that you mentioned, you’re traveling to. You know, how do they How do they book you for an in person session?

Cathy Cooke 1:36:50
Yeah, I just say there so you guys can have that. Um, central Oregon’s actually not all that far for me. I go there occasionally. Because I’m in I’m, I’m only an hour from Oregon. And because I’m in Boise, which is pretty close.

Unknown Speaker 1:37:07
Um, so yeah, I

Cathy Cooke 1:37:09
just I put my I didn’t spell my website correctly. Um, I’ll do a better job with that. And

R Blank 1:37:18
yeah, actually, why don’t you Why don’t you fix

Unknown Speaker 1:37:22
that right now?

Cathy Cooke 1:37:26
I mean, I’ve been doing an assessment since 10. This morning, and it’s almost eight o’clock my time. So, you know?

R Blank 1:37:33
Yeah, no, no.

Cathy Cooke 1:37:40
All right. I’m getting it here. Sorry. There we go. Now it’s in there. So yeah, you can be there if you’re looking for an in person assessment.

R Blank 1:37:55
Excellent. Thank you. Okay. There’s a lot of questions in here about protection. Okay, here’s one. Sarah asks, on the cornet. What is the difference between lF 600 and lF? 30 hertz?

Cathy Cooke 1:38:23
Um, yeah, so it’s the magnetic field frequencies. It’s the sensitivity of the magnetic field. And I believe it’s an ounce as measured in nano Tesla? Gosh, I’m not sure if I remember exactly. It’s basically one gives you one will go higher. We’ll give you a higher reading than the other. And the cautious meter so old, it’s hardly letting me click through. But when I’m using it, I always you probably can’t see this, but there’s a milligauss reading right under the Nana test the reading and I’m always just looking at that one. And it doesn’t matter, which if I’m on the lF 600 or the lF 30. for that.

Unknown Speaker 1:39:25
But, um,

Cathy Cooke 1:39:26
I should know the answer to that if I if I can figure out more specifically what that answer is. I know that, like the lF 30. Will will go over its limit. And the lF 600 will go higher to give you that reading. If that makes sense. So it’s it’s good to know when your readings are too high on the lF 30. You have to go to the lF 600 But the LS 30 will give you a more sensitive reading on the lower end of the spectrum.

R Blank 1:40:06
Act sense. Yeah, thank you. Yeah. Let’s see. There’s one question here about an SI p product. So I’m going to jump in Valerie asks, Why does the sob phone pouch only shield on the rear side of the pouch? Wouldn’t you want both sides shielded to protect your body better? And my answer, and I’ve been making the phone pouch now for six years, I think. And it was intentionally designed to shield on one side only. And that is I have actually in another room, I wasn’t prepared to do a product demo. But that’s so it can deflect radiation away from your body when you’re carrying your phone. But without interfering with your phone signal. Or reception. Because if you do that, a you might lose signal be your phone will emit it. So when you’re when you fully wrap the phone and shielding material, your phone is going to lose the signal. And though then it starts emitting more power to compensate for that loss. And so in addition to interfering with your signal, it’ll drain your battery more rapidly. And it’s always been my perspective, which is why this my phone patch is designed the way that it is if that’s what you want, turn your phone into Airplane Mode instead. And so the phone perhaps is designed specifically to deflect radiation away from your body when you carry your phone. And that’s why it’s designed that way. Thank you, Valerie. Now, Kathleen asks. And Kathleen says that smartphones still emit RF even in airplane mode. I knew that there was there was still some emissions from from a phone in airplane mode, even though much much lower than when not an airplane mode. But I didn’t I didn’t know that they were RF is that is that? Did you have knowledge about that?

Cathy Cooke 1:42:12
Well, if you have your phone in airplane mode is your Bluetooth and Wi Fi also turned off.

R Blank 1:42:18
Ah, okay.

Cathy Cooke 1:42:21
Three, otherwise you will get if I just turned my phone on airplane mode, Bluetooth is still on Wi Fi is still on. So I’m getting high readings from those. So you got

R Blank 1:42:30
to turn all those off. Should there be no RF should be

Unknown Speaker 1:42:33
zero.

R Blank 1:42:33
That’s what I thought. Okay. Now, she, she’s wondering, well, actually on these meters, Is there ever any How do I say it? So us some Matt, let’s say there’s some magnetic field emission coming off of the device.

Cathy Cooke 1:42:53
Yeah, I should say I should say that up. There should be zero radio frequency. Sorry. Right.

Unknown Speaker 1:43:01
Now you said that. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

R Blank 1:43:05
But with these meters, like the TF two, would that ever be picked up? Let’s say elf as RF.

I make sense.

Cathy Cooke 1:43:25
So it shouldn’t but it should pick up. It should pick up the I mean, this cornet meters picking up magnetic fields from my phone.

R Blank 1:43:37
Right.

Cathy Cooke 1:43:39
But not as RF. Not that theme? Not that, you know, with electricity boy.

Unknown Speaker 1:43:48
Anything shots?

R Blank 1:43:50
Amazing force. Yeah. Laura asks the discount valid through midnight, presumably eastern time? No, actually. Oh, I didn’t put it on the slide. I apologize. No, it’s midnight, Pacific time. So that would be in about five hours. So this discount code that’s still on the screen that’s valid for about another five hours. Thank you, Laura. I’m running up on a quarter to the hour. So I’m still scrolling. I still haven’t gotten to the end of the list of questions you.

Cathy Cooke 1:44:25
Allow? Yeah, that’s a lot of questions.

R Blank 1:44:27
Yeah. And we’ve answered between you and me. we’ve answered 37 of them. So that’s pretty good. Wow.

Cathy Cooke 1:44:37
You know, there’s a question here that I’m looking at from Bill. It says, Can you correlate a meter reading with a SAR value?

R Blank 1:44:44
Oh, how I meant to get to that? Yeah. Bill and I actually corresponded a couple of weeks ago. I think it was, and I thought it was an excellent question. I pointed him some content on the blog about that. I’d love to hear your input. So I can’t I can’t find it in the list right now, but I saw it So everyone knows the question, or can you read it? If you have it up in front of you? Yeah,

Cathy Cooke 1:45:04
it just says that. Can you correlate? It’s the final question. Can you correlate a meter reading to star value? I don’t think so. Because sorry, specific absorption rate. And so that’s basically just based on heating. Right? So this is how the industry does their tests. They put a big dummy big plastic head with some solution in it. And then they hold a phone here. And then they say, Okay, how much of this head has been heated? Well, that’s our specific absorption rate. And that’s what all of our studies go on. And well, since there is no heating from the phone, and this phone is perfectly safe, right. But radio frequencies. That’s like saying, that’s like saying that an X ray, I can say that an X ray has no thermal effects, and no heating when I get an X rays. So there’s no, there’s very little radio frequency, which we know is not accurate.

R Blank 1:46:06
Well, it also, it goes beyond that too, because, and I have a lot of content on the blog about SAR. And I’ve wanted to build to some of that when emailed in. But SAR is measured based off of a dummy that approximates the body mass of a 240 pound, six foot man. And so the same amount of RF emissions would have a lower SAR on that dummy than it would on you, for example, Catherine, because you waste much less than 240 pound guy. And so even that, that’s another that that right, there is a great example of why you can’t just translate emissions into absorption, because absorption adds in this, this whole other set of variables about what’s actually doing the absorbing. And the content I pointed to is part of it, I have I have a lot of complaints about SAR, just like I’m sure you do, and a lot of people are interested. But one of the complaints I have about it is specifically designed not only to be easy to circumvent, but to be very, very difficult for consumers to verify. And yeah, because none of us have SAR testing equipment, it is super expensive. And so no one can just check these things. And it’s really very frustrating. Louise asks, What’s the best way to measure the EMF of your smart meter both outside and inside your house? Okay,

Cathy Cooke 1:47:42
so we’ve got a couple different things going on there, you can have the magnetic field from your smart meter, which is important to note, I don’t really care how high the magnetic field is on the outside of it. But let’s say your bed, your your smart meters, right on the other side of this wall in your bed is right here. Well, I absolutely want to know if I’ve got an A magnetic or an electric field from that meter, where I’m spending my time. Now if it’s in your garage, I don’t really care about that, because it’s not in your living space. But you should check the magnetic in the electric field, you know, anywhere where your bed is. And if you’ve got a utility meter, or your breaker panel, then you have the potential to have high higher magnetic and electric fields right there on it. So you need to know that. And then to read the radio frequency of that meter, you need to, you need to stand out there for several minutes, about three feet away, and you just need to sit here and you’re gonna wait for the pulses. So that’s these little ticks, is what they sound like. And so you just sit here and wait, and you just got to write it down. Right. So at, I don’t know, 355, I got a spike of 1000 microwatts per square meter, and then you wait and you wait, and then you have another tick and you write it down so that you get a pattern. Sometimes it will have a very clear consistent pattern. Sometimes it will not. But that’s essentially how you’re going to measure it. And if you have a meter that can datalog. I mean, you know, I know I know that most of us don’t. But what I would do is I would set this up on a tripod and I would datalog it for 30 minutes an hour or however long and then I would download that information on my computer so I can see it, which is the best way to do it. So if you have a professional near you that can datalog for you. That’ll give you much more consistent data. But as most of us don’t, we’re just going to sit there and wait and we’re going to read it and then we’re going to do You know, we’re gonna do that outside. And then we’re going to do the same thing inside. And you may or may not actually get that radio frequency inside because generally that meter is going to be pointing away from your house. However, if you have a neighbor nearby, and they have a meter pointing towards you, then you want to do the same thing with their meter outside and inside your house to see if you’re getting any exposure from their meter as well.

R Blank 1:50:27
Thank you. So this should be a quick one. But it’s I thought it was useful to cover anonymous asked as the safe and sound pro read RF, electrical and magnetic fields? And the answer is no, the safe and sound pro specializes in the RF measurements. And if you wanted a single meter that did all of those three fields, like like Kathy covered, is the the cornet or the trifield. TF two are the most affordable, reasonably accurate options for that, Kathy, anything else on that?

Unknown Speaker 1:51:04
Yeah, that’s that’s

Cathy Cooke 1:51:06
exactly correct. And I just saw a comment, Laura put in the chat that not all smart meters are operating via RF and that’s, that’s true. Many of them are powerline communication meters. And that’s actually what we have here in Boise. And that’s worth noting. Because the powerline communication meters, they are technically smart, because they have two way communication from the utility company to the homeowner back to the utility company. But they’re not emitting radio frequency. So I don’t test them one night in, in, in the Treasure Valley here for radio frequency because I don’t have to. But I do test dirty electricity because running that data through your power lines can put dirty electricity on your lines. So you’re just trading one source for another one frequency for another. So it’s just worth noting.

R Blank 1:52:05
Wayne asks, between potential and body measurement types is either more useful for determining EMF danger or risk?

Cathy Cooke 1:52:17
That’s a great question. And I think that that is that is something that’s debated among professionals of weather of which they feel is more accurate.

Unknown Speaker 1:52:29
Um,

Cathy Cooke 1:52:30
I find the body voltage to have. So because we’re measuring in milli volts with the body voltage, you’re going to see much larger swings. So for example, if I’m sitting here, and I’m holding on to my hand probe, and I’m doing body voltage, let’s say I have 300 millivolts. And then I put my hand towards the lamp, it’s going to skyrocket to 1000 millivolts. So the difference in that is very dramatic. And it can make more of an impression on you to see the potential for how much exposure you’re getting. Whereas when you measure in potential free, I could have 10 volts per meter. And when I get towards the lamp, I’ve got 20. So it looks like a much lower increase. Um, I don’t, I think the jury’s still out of which is more accurate. But if it leaves more of an impression on you to test by voltage, then that’s important because you want to take it seriously. And in that case, I think more people holding it seeing what’s on their body, it makes more of an impression for them, so they’re more likely to take action on it. And in that case, I think the body voltage is a better way to do it.

R Blank 1:53:53
Thank you. Okay, so I see there’s still over 40 questions in the room. Kathy has spent over an hour now going through questions, we answered dozens of them. But there’s still a lot left here, but we’re running up on our two hour window. So I want to remind everyone who still has questions. And Kathy, you’ve been super generous with your time. I really appreciate it. I know everyone here appreciates it. But obviously there’s more questions left. And so if you have more questions about testing, and you want dedicated private time with Kathy to answer those questions, remember you have a few hours left, you go to shield your body calm slash home test, enter the code test 40 at checkout, you do that before midnight tonight pacific time you still you don’t have to book it. You know the session doesn’t have to be tonight. Obviously. Kathy I think it’s done for the day. It’s you have about five weeks. We love bookings for about five weeks out so you pick a time that works for you. You’ll get the link to join by zoom. You get it Recording if your session so you can watch it later for for future references really a great opportunity because this is a huge discount, we don’t normally, I mean 40% is, for any of you who’ve been on my list for a while, you know, this is a really big discount. It’s because we’re just launching this product offering. And I really want to make it easy for all of you to get your your questions answered. Because, like Kathy, I really believe in this. And I think it’s really important skill. I want to encourage people to do it. But I also want to create as much opportunity for people to get the information to it correctly as possible. So again, this ends in about five hours. So if you’re interested, take advantage of this. Now, you’re never going to see a discount like this on this service again, Kathy, I see a lot of things coming through in the chat for you. I know that everyone really appreciates what you’ve done here tonight. This is really great. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Cathy Cooke 1:56:02
Absolutely My pleasure, anything we can do to you know, spread this very important information and help people feel better. That’s what it’s all about. So thank you for your work to our really important stuff.

R Blank 1:56:14
Thank you. Well, everyone. Thank you so much for coming out tonight. This was our first experiment with this time slot. So we’ll look over the numbers a bit later, probably tomorrow and see our When will the next webinar is already up to be registered. So if you go to shield your body comm slash webinar, the topic, I’ll be giving the next one and the topic is deciphering EMF protection product claims. So it’s understanding what companies like mine and others, the claims that we make, what do they actually mean? What can they tell you? I think it’ll be a great topic. I actually gave this talk at the EMF medical conference last month. And I think a lot of you are going to enjoy it. So shield your body comm slash webinar. And everyone. Thank you so much for tuning out tonight. And we’ll see you again soon. Thanks, Kathy. Thanks, everyone.

Cathy Cooke 1:57:01
Yeah, Bye, everybody.

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