The Art of Living Well Podcast was created to empower you to live your happiest, healthiest and most authentic life.
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Today’s conversation is going to really open your eyes on the topic of EMFs (Electro Magnetic Field/Frequency), an issue that isn’t widely discussed but impacts nearly every single one of us, including our children.
In today’s episode we discuss:
- What are EMFs
- The health risks of EMF exposure including the scientifically proven research and data
- Solutions and tips to reduce and minimize your exposure to EMFs
- 5G and how this new network impacts our exposure
- Very simple, free and easy ways that you can reduce your exposure while still staying connected to the world
- Tips to build a healthier relationship with technology
This episode is not meant to scare or overwhelm you, but rather to educate you on information that is not widely shared and that may impact the long-term health of you and your loved ones.
R Blank 0:00
You know, we won’t know what the health impacts of today’s exposures are for another 1020 30 years because diseases take time to manifest. Now there are certain health impacts that we do see, instantly, effectively instantly. So a great example of that is infertility and sub fertility in men, particularly men who carry their phones in their pockets or use their laptops in their laps, though that is a very well studied area of the science and it is one where you see the impact basically immediately.
Stephanie May Potter 0:34
Hello, and welcome to The Art of Living Well Podcast. I’m Stephanie Mae Potter and I’m here with my co host, Marni dachas Marmot,
Marnie Dachis Marmet 0:42
we created the art of living world podcast to empower you to live your happiest healthiest and most authentic life. Each week we will bring you inspiring and motivating conversations covering health and wellness topics including fitness mindset, food, travel, product reviews and strategies from a variety of experts, including our own bank of knowledge.
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And of course, please share a screenshot and post it to social media, you can tag us out The Art of Living underscore well. So now let’s dive into today’s conversation. Today’s episode is talking about something that Marnie and I haven’t discussed previously on this show and it’s really going to open your eyes to something that isn’t widely discussed but impacts nearly every single one of us including our children. We are so excited to introduce R blank who is an entrepreneur, technologist and author R is the CEO of shield your body whose mission is to make technology safer for people around the world. His company creates products that make it easy and affordable for people to reduce their exposure to wireless radiation from devices like cell phones and laptops. R is an internationally fellow followed expert on issues of EMF health and safety. And he’s been interviewed on platforms ranging from ABC television to electric sense I was inspired to create shield your body when he co founded the best selling book overpowered with his father Dr. Martin Blanc, one of the world’s leading EMF scientists are also hosts a podcast called The healthier tech podcast. So if this conversation motivates you to want to learn more, we highly recommend checking that out to he has got a ton of great insight on there in addition to his website with lots of free resources that he shares from himself and other experts in this space. So like I said, today’s topic is not one that’s meant to scare or overwhelm anyone but it’s something that’s really really important. We’re diving into EMF which are electromagnetic fields. So in this episode are is going to break down exactly what are EMF we know that many of you have heard the term but may not know Know what it means. And even Mark and myself were pretty green on this topic. And while we knew there were some health implications from the technology that we’ve all grown accustomed to using every day, we didn’t fully appreciate the impact of EMF and the health risks until we sat down and have this conversation with our ours gonna break it down and help you understand exactly what em EMFs are. He’s also going to talk about the known and scientifically proven health implications. Based on our exposure to EMF, specifically cell phones and laptops, we also dive into 5g. And, you know, the good thing is there are very simple, easy and many of them free or relatively inexpensive ways to significantly reduce our exposure. Simply having your device you know six feet away from you will significantly reduce that exposure and the harm that it could bring. You know, I know Marnie and I have both taken small steps since we have this conversation with our to reduce our exposure and change habits and the reliance that we’ve had on so much technology. You know, I am proud to say that I have not used my one flopped air pods for three weeks now. I’ve been using an old school version, and I’m using speakerphone a lot more. I started only wearing my aura ring, which I love to track my sleep. I’m only wearing that at night versus 24/7. And I’ve been taking off my Apple watch, and just leaving it out. And I’ll occasionally put it on if I’m working out but our company has these great products that can protect you that you were underneath that Apple Watch. So there are lots of good tips and tricks in this episode to share. So let’s dive right in with our conversation with R blank. But first, a quick word from our sponsor, Dr. Chiropractic.
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R Blank 9:11
Thank you so much for having me. It’s a pleasure to be here on the the art of living well.
Stephanie May Potter 9:15
You’re welcome. So our everyone has a story and we would love to hear your journey of how you became interested in the health effects of EMF and the safety concerns and ultimately co authored a book and started your company shield your body.
R Blank 9:30
Sure, well, it was the co authoring the book that led to this whole current life. My father was Dr. Martin Blanc, who was one of the world’s leading EMF scientists and effectively an activist. And he’d been doing that work, you know, almost my entire life decades. And in round 2012 He had a contract to write a book about the health effects of EMF but unlike you know everything else he had written in his life. This book wasn’t targeting other side scientists and academics, this was for the general public. And so he asked me for some help. And at that point, my career was in software engineering. I had written a book I had I was on, I had been on the faculty of University of Southern California teaching software engineering. And I jumped in and said, yes, that sounded great. And it was in the course of writing what became overpowered, that I just I was struck by a couple of key really key things. So again, my father had been doing this work my whole life. And I knew never to hold the phone up to my head. And I knew why we never had a microwave when I was growing up. But I didn’t really understand the issues, the way that I learned to is through that experience of writing that book with my father. So one of the key facts that I picked up from that experience is that the science here showing that EMF exposure is harmful, is incredibly strong. And this was this was 10 years ago, it’s gotten even stronger. But even 10 years ago, you know, we’re talking about 1000s of studies into this subject in a wide range of biological impacts and disease correlation. So the science is really strong, even though sometimes you’ll hear are covered. But there’s an open question is debate. The science here is really strong, that this is a, it’s effectively a toxin. But at the same time, you know, when you sit back and think about it, you realize that the sources of EMF, and I should probably in a minute, explain to those of your listeners who don’t know what that word means, what that is, but the sources of EMF or electromagnetic radiation, right? They are the things that form the entire basis of what we consider modern life to be. So that includes computers, phones, power lines, refrigerators, anything that communicates wirelessly, and anything that runs on power is a source of EMF. So you can’t get rid of this stuff, unless you were willing for the whole world to revert to a state of affairs, about 1850. So that’s impossible. So I realized there had to be safer ways for beings like us to relate to engage with and use our modern technology. And that’s where the idea for what became shield your body started. And that was, so that was in 2012. And I released our first product in 2013.
Marnie Dachis Marmet 12:37
Wow. Okay, so can you tell our listeners, I think you defined EMF, so you said electromagnetic radiation frequency. Is that right?
R Blank 12:48
Yeah. EMF stands for electromagnetic field field. And it’s also sometimes called EMR, which is electromagnetic radiation. And it’s also sometimes called EMF radiation. So that you take take your pick.
Marnie Dachis Marmet 13:00
Okay, so how, wow, I have so many questions like, so I guess, before we dive into the health implications of exposure to EMFs, you you mentioned, you know, that our world is kind of run on these EMFs. Right. So you grew up in a household with no microwave you mentioned? I’m assuming at some point, there were cell phones, maybe in your household? Maybe not.
R Blank 13:29
Not when I was growing up? Yeah, I got my first Yeah, I got my first cell phone when I was in. Sorry, right after I graduated college.
Marnie Dachis Marmet 13:38
Okay, so now you’re in your own household? Do you have these EMFs in your house?
R Blank 13:45
Sure. I have. I have relative compared to my contemporaries, I have relatively few, but not as not as few as some other people who who go to really great lengths to reduce the amount of EMF in their environment. But for instance, I mean, I have a cell phone, I do business, I travel, I need a cell phone, but I engage with it very differently than other people that I know. We have Wi Fi in our house, some people get rid of Wi Fi and put in Ethernet to fix wire everything. We don’t do that at least not yet. But we turned it off at night. So there are different way and we don’t have a mic. I’ve never owned a microwave oven. Actually, I I implicitly feel like I just don’t want one of those in my life. But so there are certain things that we do that we still engage with, you know, modern society and modern technology. But we do so in a more intentional way than then some other people I know who who aren’t aware of these issues, to the degree that you know that I am also we live in a relatively low EMF environment just to begin with the more rural place you live in, in general, the less of this stuff, there’s going to be in the environment around you. And in a place like New York City, you know, the levels are incredibly high. Can we talk?
Stephanie May Potter 15:12
Can we back up a little bit? And then want to dive into like the health exposure, but you mentioned, you know, computers, phones, but even like power? So can we kind of go through just base level like in an average person’s home? Sure. Types
R Blank 15:30
of Yeah. Yeah. No, that’s a great question. And before I answer it, I’ll take us a step even further back. Yeah, so I mentioned this is electromagnetic radiation. And it’s a form of energy created by the combination of electrical and magnetic forces. And there’s many different types of EMF, and they exist on what we call the electromagnetic spectrum. So right in the middle of that spectrum, is visible light, like sunlight. And sunlight is a form of EMF, and it’s really a it’s obviously one that all of us are familiar with. And it’s really by and large, with very few exceptions, the only form of EMF that humanity was exposed to, until the invention of the light bulb. Now there are certain forms of EMF with more energy than visible light. And we call those ionizing forms of EMF because they have so much energy, they can not electrons loose from your cells. And these are things like X rays, and gamma rays. And everyone knows there’s absolutely zero debate whatsoever that that that those forms of EMF are incredibly harmful, even in very, very, very small doses. Right. So those, that’s the ionizing forms. Now, there’s also forms of EMF with less energy than visible light. And those are called non ionizing because they don’t have the same amount of energy, they can’t knock electrons loose from your cells. And because they are non ionizing, it was long thought that they were benign to human life that they were safe. And these include things that we refer to like radiofrequency and microwave. Those are two types of basically used interchangeably. There’s a slight dip, but they’re basically used interchangeably. And then there’s even lower forms of of non ionizing it lower energy forms, and we call those extremely low frequency. Or elf can I
Marnie Dachis Marmet 17:33
do for a second? Yeah, that’d be like a walkie talkie.
R Blank 17:37
So anything that communicates wirelessly? is using radio frequency or microwave? Okay? Go hand. Yeah, no, no, that was a great question. So anything that communicates wirelessly uses RF or microwave. Again, those are basically interchangeable terms. But that’s also the type of energy that your microwave oven uses to cook. Right? Because that’s where it gets its name, it’s using microwaves to cook. Then as you get further down, I mentioned elf. That’s the type of EMF that comes off of power lines, AC appliances, anything that the electrical wiring in your home, anything that runs off of power is a source of elf. Okay, that was really
Marnie Dachis Marmet 18:23
helpful. Trying to digest all of that. Yeah.
R Blank 18:27
Take your time. So.
Marnie Dachis Marmet 18:28
So what are the health implications of all this exposure?
R Blank 18:34
Well, you know, to a certain extent, I can answer that question to a certain extent, you know, we won’t know what the health impacts of today’s exposures are, for another 1020 30 years, because diseases take time to manifest. Now, there’s certain health impacts that we do see, instantly, effectively, instantly. So a great example of that is infertility and sub fertility in men, particularly men who carry their phones in their pockets or use their laptops in their labs, though that is a very well studied area of the science, and it is one where you see the impact, basically, immediately. At the same time, you see the impact of stopping those behaviors also, immediately, right, because men regenerate their sperm approximately every 24 hours. So if you take the phone out of the pocket, or you stop using the laptop on the lap, you start to see regeneration, in, in sperm count and motility almost immediately. But that’s just one example. Right? That the what we see and we can talk through some of this, what we see is there’s effectively some type of measurable biological impact in almost every system that is measured. Right? So what am I talking about there? I’m talking about obviously, a lot of people care about brain tumors. There is strong science linking, cell phone use and other similar forms of EMF to increased rates of brain tumors parts regularly on the side of the head where you tend to hold your phone. But it’s not just cancers of the brain, there is a strong and growing science to other forms of cancer, including thyroid cancer, colorectal cancer, again, proximal to when people hold their phones in their pockets, and prostate cancer. But again, it’s not even just cancers. So you can see it, for instance, in the rates of DNA damage, which is the type of damage that leads to cellular mutations, which can manifest as disease, you see it in impact in the endocrine system, for example, interfering with the production of melatonin, which then also contributes to poor sleep, which then increases other issues, right, because when you’re not sleeping well, your health suffers in other ways, from the reduced ability for your body to heal itself to increases in rates of anxiety and depression. And it’s not just in humans, right, you see impacts throughout the natural world. So you see it in bird migration, you see it in bee colony health, and it’s suspected role in Colony Collapse Disorder. You see it in Dolphin, migrations, anything, any creature that relies on EMF, because the Earth has its own magnetic field. It’s a very, very low powered one. But that’s, you know, that’s how a compass works. But there’s a whole set of creatures on this planet that evolved to use that magnetic field in order to navigate. And when you throw such high powered, artificial forms of EMF into the equation, they lose that ability. And so you see impacts in Dolphin populations, sea turtle populations, other types of marine and, and land life.
Marnie Dachis Marmet 21:53
So I have a question about that quickly. Sorry, Stephanie. So you know, you talk about holding the phone to your ear or holding the phone in your pocket. So what if I’m sitting at my desk, and the phone is three feet away from me, but my Wi Fi is on? Is that going to do as much damage as if the phone is in my pocket? How do you know? Well,
R Blank 22:17
you know, the answer to how you know, right is is they sell these meters, I don’t sell them. But I do recommend several. And you can use these meters to see what your exposure is in any given circumstance. Now, there are certain things that you can do that you know, will help, right, because you can move further away from the Wi Fi router, or turn the Wi Fi router off, and you know that your exposure is going to be cut by that. Same with not carrying your phone in your pocket, moving it three feet away from you that’s going to cut your exposure. But then there’s also whole sets of exposures that you’re not going to know about unless and until you start measuring. So for instance, there could be just some strange wiring configuration in your wall. And at one part of your living room sofa, the levels are much, much higher just than at the other end of the sofa, because of some invisible contributing factor that you would have no idea about unless you learned to Tet, you bought a good meter and learned how to test. So there’s a lot of things that people can do that will they know will cut their exposure. But there’s also other exposures that you won’t know about unless you go out and purchase a decent EMF meter and learn how to start testing with it. Now to answer your question, I totally understand where that vibe is coming from, which is oh, well, if I move the phone away here, but the Wi Fi is there, right, in general, the general approach is, you know, adjust your relationship with the sources you know about. So that means regardless of the Wi Fi, keep the phone further away, right, because the further away the phone is, the less your exploit the lower your exposure is going to be from that device. Same for the Wi Fi router itself. The further thing that the further away that thing is from where you and your loved ones spend their time, the lower the exposure is going to be. Because most people I know even as much as I advocate, everyone should go out and get a good meter and learn how to test I know most people aren’t going to do that. So instead, what you should do is take these basic precautions and we can get into what those are and how those work. But take these basic precautions to cut back on the exposures that in ways that you find to be comfortable and fit into your lifestyle.
Stephanie May Potter 24:35
And we want to dive in I know you have lots of great suggestions, but just backing up a little bit is there and what is an acceptable level of EMF exposure, if you will, I mean we you talked about I like how you said like there’s the artificial forms in the more natural form because you’re getting that from the sun and that’s how our bodies evolved. And that’s what our body is used to. You know, and if you could sort of wait almost which are there or devices? Or maybe it’s where those devices are that have higher levels of EMF.
R Blank 25:07
Yeah. So I’m going to have a good but likely unsatisfying answer to that question as well, because it’s a really good question. The answer, and this is what my father would have said. And so I go around saying it to, there is no safe level. Right? And it all depends on what you mean by safe. But there is absolutely no level that has been tested and proven to be an ERT. Right? We are talking about just varying degrees of risk. And But the flip side of that is, is there’s no way to eliminate all of it right? So the purpose of me saying that isn’t to freak out all of your listeners, oh, the world is ending. It’s hopeless, right. That’s not the point. But the point is to start realizing that this is a toxin, and there is no safe level, the less of it there is, the safer it is. And that’s really the approach one should take the other side that of that. The other thing I want to bring up in response to that question is, none of this modern technology has been tested against the types of health effects that we are talking about here, right. So when you’re talking about, for instance, a cellphone, and there’s there’s a whole bunch of reasons why the cell phone regulations are misleading at best, right, it’s not an effective regulatory regimen. But let’s just say it is, for the purposes of what I’m about to say, the entire safety standard is based on the cell phone, not burning you when you use it. And that is not an exaggeration. That is literally what the safety standard is, right? Because I said earlier, microwave ovens use the same type of radiation is a cell phone. But microwave ovens literally cook food and your cell phone, unless there’s something really wrong is not cooking you. So the reason I bring that up here is because you can have EMF with enough power that it literally cooks your tissue, and that everyone knows is really harmful. There’s absolutely no debate that once you get enough power of EMF, that it heats tissue, that that is harming you and your body and your health. And that is the standard by which all of these safety standards around the world are based none are based on preventing increased risk of cancer as one example or increased risk of infertility as another example. So the safety standards that exist are not designed to protect your health against any of the types of health effects that we were talking about earlier, or the broader range that have been documented.
Marnie Dachis Marmet 27:48
Okay, I don’t even want to ask this question, because I’m scared to hear your answer. But I have an infrared sauna, which I love. And it was tested. It was like third party tested really low EMFs. But I’m definitely like heating up my tissue.
R Blank 28:05
Right? Well, that’s a little bit of a different situation, because and I am not an expert, by the way on this, but I do know that there are I mean, I’m not an expert on on this on saunas, or this particular subset of saunas, but I do know that there are a class of infrared saunas that are low EMF, and that are advocated by other people in my community. So that’s not the type of thing that I’m talking about here. Nice. Good, I’m glad I could give you one quick answer. Maybe, yeah.
Stephanie May Potter 28:44
If nothing else, you’re sweating out toxins. Right.
Marnie Dachis Marmet 28:47
So what about in terms of the devices themselves? Well, actually, I’m going to change gears for one second. I’ve heard a lot about 5g being like horrible. I remember, like just reading all these articles. And then, you know, it’s like, if you’re one of those people saying that 5g is terrible. You’re kind of like a like a outlier. And you believe in all these other things that maybe aren’t mainstream. And then I’ve heard other people say, Oh, it’s fine. It’s whatever. It’s not that different from LTE or whatever, three G. Do you have any thoughts on that?
R Blank 29:25
Yeah, I do. So just as a starting point, there is a lot of misinformation on 5g on both sides. But if someone’s, if you say that and their response is, it’s perfectly safe, it’s no different than 4g. You know, I can show you reams of science that says 4g is not safe. That when 5g came out, well, just as a starting point, so So listeners understand what 5g is the reason it’s called 5g is because it is the fifth generation of cell phone network. So And the first one, I believe it was 1979. That was one G than 2g, I think added text messaging. And then 3g added multiple data than 4g made it faster. And now 5g is is being deployed. And there was and still is a tremendous amount of misinformation about it. One of the reasons that people are so worried about it is because for the first time, 5g is deploying frequencies, remember energy to types of energy of EMF that have never before been used in consumer applications, right. So there was not a big change in terms of the band of frequencies that were used between 3g and 4g. But there is a big change between 4g and 5g. And so you have all of these new frequencies that have never been used in consumer applications before. And again, because this is how wireless technology is deployed. They’ve never been tested for long term health effects, right. So that gives people the opportunity to freak out and to make things up.
I believe that you’ll see that 5g Because it’s operating on different frequencies, you will likely see different concentrations of disease and negative health outcomes, right? Because we’ve seen, while there are certain health impacts that seemed to happen at every type of EMF, you will see other ones that are really focused around different frequencies, right? So power lines, I’ll give you an example, are very strongly linked to childhood leukemia, whereas that isn’t so much the case with cell phones. But FM radio is very strongly linked to melanoma, again, not leukemia, and that’s also different from cell phones. So you see certain certain diseases tend to concentrate around different frequencies. And I think you’ll find over time, that the same thing will happen with 5g. But of course, we won’t know that for, you know, 10 years, maybe 20 years, because that’s how long it takes for these types of diseases to manifest. And of course, by that point, not only will we be be too late to undo that will be on 60, or 70. Because these tend to happen every 10 years. So I don’t freak out about 5g because it’s new and different. Because I think we can make some reasonable predictions about what we are going to see, the part of 5g that I do like for people to focus on and to understand a little bit is that the whole purpose, remember, I went through that generations like this is what one G was for, this is what 2g was for. Now, 5g is being marketed to people as a way to get super fast internet on your mobile devices. But that’s not why they built it. The reason they built it is because the number of devices that are connecting to these networks has grown so much and will continue to grow so much. And so I’m not talking just about cell phones, I’m talking about smart meters and smart cars smart, the data transfer requirements of a Tesla will blow your mind, right. And so the whole reason 5g was built was to enable a multiple order of magnitude expansion in the number of devices connecting to the network. And what that means, right, because each one of those devices is a source of EMF. So it is set the groundwork to enable a multiple order of magnitude explosion in the number of sources from which we are all exposed to this stuff. And that’s the part about 5g that I think is the biggest threat to health, and that I wish more people would focus on because that’s, it’s really the number of sources in our lives. If we all were contemporaries, right, think back to what was in your home when you were growing up in terms of wireless communication. And now think of what’s in your home right now. Right? What 5g is set? I didn’t say it but of course, the answer is what’s in your home right now is crazy high compared to what was in your home when you’re growing up. And what 5g is laying the groundwork for is in five years, and in 10 years, the number the the amount of EMF in your home, and the number of sources of it is going to be much greater than it is even today. And today it is much greater than it was 10 years ago or 20 years ago. So that it really is about the number of sources in our lives.
Stephanie May Potter 34:35
Wow. And so, you know, I have questions just as parents, a lot of our listeners are parents. But before we dive into that, why, why isn’t this being regulated and you touched on it a little bit. And I know there’s even like a warning somewhere on your phone. If you look for it. There’s like some sort of warning that no one ever knows about or sees but I remember back when I got one of my first cell phones Yeah, this is Going back now 20 years, I do remember people talking about oh, yeah, don’t hold it up to your head and brain tumors. And then we, that’s when I had my first little, like old school, headpiece or whatever. And I was living overseas at the time. And so everyone used to headpiece back, then this was a long time ago. And then you just sort of like, didn’t hear about it anymore, and you just got used to it, and you got more devices and life went on. So why, why aren’t there more warnings on this? Why aren’t these studies more widely spread? I mean, I know it’s because it’s, you know, it’s not going to make companies money if we stopped buying these devices. But given the number of studies that you mentioned, and I’d love to hear a little bit more about some of those, because I know people will be interested in kind of, you know, some people really liked the science and they want science before they’ll make any lifestyle changes. Why, I guess from a regulation standpoint, what’s going on? And why do you think there isn’t more being done on this topic isn’t more widely?
R Blank 35:57
Yeah. And that? Yeah, that’s a great question. I’ll do my best to answer it. But it’s also could be the topic just for a whole interview. But as I mentioned, right, for many, many, many years, it was long thought that this stuff was biologically inert. So a lot of these technologies were formed at a time when humanity didn’t have the knowledge that it has today. And I’ll give you an example. Because my father is widely regarded as a leader in EMF health advocacy. And when he went through medical school, and then he taught for the his his first years teaching at Columbia University Medical School, he taught that this was biologically inert, that this stuff was safe. It was only in the course of his career, that he was exposed to the knowledge that led him to start reaching different conclusions. So we’re talking about a legacy infrastructure of a long time that was built based on the assumption that this stuff was safe. Now beyond that, you know, this is kind of how companies react to well actually, let me step step back even a little bit further, right, because of how many different types of things omit EMF, there’s no clear agency, and just using the example the United States with which we’re almost familiar, there is no clear agency that would be in charge of regulating this stuff, right. So the agency that regulates cell phones, is not the same agency that regulates power lines. So there’s already you’re setting up this kind of bureaucratic structure that makes it very challenging to implement effective regulations on this, but then you go in step further. And the fact is that the regulatory agencies that could implement regulations are effectively controlled through a revolving door system by the industries that they purport to regulate. This is hardly unique to EMF and to cell phones. This is how government regulation works. And we see it very clearly, time and time again, and I’ll point people to the example, especially your younger listeners, just may not fully appreciate how hard it was to get basic smoking regulations into play. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the science was there for decades. And they they literally had doctors doing cigarette ads, again, that your young listeners may, they may know that, but I suspect they’re blown away to learn that they had doctors doing cigarette ads. And we knew for decades what this was doing. And I’ll add to that, right cigarettes, while they were big business, they hardly formed the underpinning of modern society, the types of things we’re talking about here, right? There’s, there’s real social impact in terms of the value that they contribute to the modern world. And so it’s even it’s it’s just so much harder to get this to give you another example that isn’t tobacco that I doubt, you know, other people have come on your show and talks about, but I don’t know if you saw there was a movie with Will Smith a few years ago called concussion. And he played this doctor who discovered that that CTE, right, I think it’s chronic traumatic encephalopathy in football players, right. So there was the Doctor Who, who discovered that football players were getting brain damage from the sport, right? These these are people who are ramming their head with the force of a jackhammer over and over and over again. And he said, I think I have the data that shows that this is causing brain damage. And he, I mean, so you think, right, I mean, it’s obvious if you’re ramming your head with the force of a jackhammer hundreds of times a day, that that could cause brain damage instead of them just accepting those facts and learning how to deal with them as they eventually did. They destroyed this guy’s career and buried the information. This is again this is not conspiracy think This theory stuff, this is literally what happened. And that’s an example that it should be immediately obvious to everybody that ramming your head with the force of a jackhammer causes brain damage. So again, you see this time and time and time again. And when, when it comes to EMF, and I know I’m rambling, so I’ll stop at the end of this. But when it comes to EMF, you also have to appreciate that there is people love their EMF emitting technology. So you have this force that’s invisible, you have the science, that’s a little complicated. And then you have the fact that no one wants to hear it. And it makes it really hard to achieve regulatory change, not impossible. It just takes time. And that’s that’s the that’s the set of forces that you’re seeing. When you ask, Why is this not being regulated more effectively?
Marnie Dachis Marmet 40:49
So that totally makes sense. And I really want us to have a chance to dive into your products. And also, what are things people can do. But before we get there, I would love to know one or two of like the top studies, if you know, if you have some off the top? Yeah, well, yeah, that we could direct listeners to because I think, you know, finding reputable studies on this topic would maybe help people and convince people more than just talking about it, right, actually seeing it being studied and seeing the results of the studies. Yeah,
R Blank 41:26
well, so I’ll give you a couple. But one starting point, if anyone is interested in this stuff, there is a report, it was put out in 2008. And then revised in 2012. My father was one of the authors, it was called the bio initiative report. And it’s a bio initiative.org. And this group of international scientists sat down and started reviewing 1000s of studies on this stuff. And then they published their conclusions. So both the conclusions and the bibliography for this study are posted at bio initiative.org. And again, that’s a survey of 1000s of studies. But you asked for a couple of significant ones. There is a set of studies conducted by two doctors, two scientists, Dr. Narendra Singh, and Dr. Henry Lai. And Dr. Henry Lai actually still gives talks. And this was in the early 90s. And they found that exposure to cordless phone radiation led to increases in what are called DNA strand breaks. So DNA is formed of two strands. And so when a strand when one strand breaks, well, let’s start when when both strands break, that’s called a double strand break, and the cell engages in the process effectively of suicide, it’s called apoptosis, the cell kills itself. When one strand breaks, right, the other strand has all the mirror information. So the cell tries to replicate the broken strand. And that’s a process through which mutations can occur. And that’s how diseases can form. So what he found what they both found, and this is across multiple studies, peer reviewed, that had been replicated numerous times around the world by other scientific research groups, what they found is that exposure to cordless phone radiation, which is equivalent to cell phone radiation, led to a big increase in the rate of strand breaks. What was even more concerning in that study, is that the rate of the increased rate of DNA damage persisted for hours after the initial exposure. Right. So what you have there, that’s not like me coming to you with a study that says cell phones cause cancer. I’ll do that one next. But this is a key mechanism by which multiple types of diseases can manifest right because every cell in our body, every cell in every living thing, has DNA. And what they showed is that radiofrequency EMF can can destroy the basic building block of all life on Earth. And that is, again, Henry Lai and Narendra Singh. So that is a big one that we talked about and overpowered and I get the question you just asked me, I get a lot and that’s always the first study that I bring up. Second study is by a researcher in Europe called Leif Salford, and he’s done a lot of work. Um, but I’m going to talk here about a 2007 study. There’s a very large study of cell phone use in Europe. And that study, it’s like I say, it’s a lot of stuff, a lot of research subjects, subjects. There’s a lot of conclusions, but I there’s one that I just want to to one of the multiple conclusions from that study that I’ll just bring up for impact, which is for the people who spent 2000 hours was cumulatively on their cell phone 10 years later had a 640% increased risk of forming a malignant brain tumor on the side of their head where they held their phone. So that’s a 6.4 times greater risk. And that that that’s only 2000 hours. This was back in 2007. We This was before the iPhone, right? We use our phones a lot more. Now. Now, fortunately, a lot of us use them for texting and so forth. And that you’re not holding it up to the side of your head. But again, 2000 cumulative hours of talking on your phone 10 years later, that to a 640% increased risk of malignant brain tumor on the side of your head where you held your phone.
Marnie Dachis Marmet 45:40
But then can you get if you’re holding it in your hands, like, you know, wrist cancer or Yeah,
R Blank 45:45
I mean, because it risk cancer has
Marnie Dachis Marmet 45:47
MIDI thing, or is it a yes? Like? Yes, it
R Blank 45:52
is a proximity thing. So
Marnie Dachis Marmet 45:53
like if a man is holding it, you know, you said fertility issues. There’s another kind of cancer. I’m blanking on what it’s
R Blank 46:01
Marnie Dachis Marmet 46:03
No, no. Just anyway. Okay. Yeah. Testicular cancer, like you hear about that in young people more often. Right? So I don’t know if that’s attributed Well, or not, but
R Blank 46:15
you’re not aware. I mean, it doesn’t mean it exists. There’s a lot of science out there. And I am, I am, I am not a scientist. So I spent my time keeping up with every study, there are other people who do. But there’s so there may be science on testicular cancer rates. I do know, like I mentioned, prostate cancer and colorectal cancer rates are increasingly linked to cell phone proximity. But the answer to your question is yes, proximity makes a big difference. And the reason for that is because the power of exposure, the power of your exposure is, is it. So let me let me the power of your exposure is, is x, it diminishes exponentially with distance, I apologize for stumbling on that sentence. I don’t know exactly why I did. But it diminishes exponentially with distance. And so what that means is if your cell phone is one inch away from your body, and then you move it two inches away from your body, so you’ve doubled the distance, the power of your own exposure drops 75%. Right. So distance is a huge factor when it comes to how much EMF you’re being exposed to, in real life. And so yes, when you’re holding your phone in your hand, your hand is getting a pretty good dose. But you know, it’s not your brain. And it’s not your gonads, where it’s much further away from those important organs, right? So and all things equal, I would much rather have higher exposure in my hand and lower exposure in my brain. Because because of the important relative importance I assigned to the value of my brain in my life,
Stephanie May Potter 47:52
right? Well, maybe this is a good time to talk a little bit about those practical ways. I know you have a lot of suggestions, and then also dive into the products that you have. Because I mean, we think about it, I’m just thinking about kids in general, like they keep it they keep everything in their pockets. They’re so cool. Their phones are so close to their bodies. And then I also want to talk about these air pods. And some of the other there too. Yeah,
Marnie Dachis Marmet 48:19
the watch is taken off, and I have it sitting away from me on the desk. And when I walk
R Blank 48:26
did you guys get the wristbands by the way? Yes,
Stephanie May Potter 48:29
we did. I used to use it the other day, I put it on. I need to do that too. It’s just it’s one of those things. It’s it’s a new habit. But I will say Our I did walk the last two times I walked I just used one of these old school, I’m just holding out a little the headphones that come with your phone. So I’m really trying to do some of the things that I know you’re going to share with our audience today.
R Blank 48:53
Yeah, so and I, I want to emphasize even though we will talk about my products in a little bit, EMF protection products should always be what I call a second line of defense, your most effective ways of reducing your exposure are going to be the types of behavioral changes that I’m about to talk about. So it all comes down to what I call the two key rules of EMF protection. The first is minimize and the second is maximize. So minimize is about minimizing the number of the number of sources of EMF in your life. And again, I take this approach, I am not a purist. I am not an ideologue. I deal with regular consumers all day long. I take the approach that there are these ways that you can do this without negatively impacting your quality of life or your ability to enjoy modern technology. So what do I mean by minimize? Well, I mean, you know, first off, don’t buy every piece of smart tech that comes out just because it sounds cool. One example I give for this is smart refrigerators, right? I have yet to ever talk to anybody who can give me a compelling use case for why they need the refrigerator to be smart. Your refrigerator, by the way, is already a big source of EMF just because of the amount of power it takes to run this thing. You don’t also need it to be a source of radiofrequency or microwave. But then that’s an example of just sit back and think, Do I really need this source of EMF in my life? Does it does it add any value to my life that my refrigerator is smart? And the answer a lot of times is no. And so skip buying new pieces of smart tech just because they’re there, and just because they’re being marketed to you. But another way of minimizing I said earlier, right, turning off your Wi Fi at night, that you’re using Wi Fi all day, that’s great, you know, use it as much as you want, but then turn it off when you’re not using it. Because you’re not using it right, you’re not going to sacrifice your ability to watch Netflix or whatever you’re doing. And if you don’t do this, you’re getting exposed all night long, when you’re you’re not getting any benefit out of that exposure.
Marnie Dachis Marmet 51:10
Can I ask you a question about that? Yes. How does one do that? Like I like do you mean on your phone, just turn off your Wi Fi,
R Blank 51:17
or you want to do that to the house, I’m talking about the whole house,
Marnie Dachis Marmet 51:20
I wouldn’t even know how to do that?
R Blank 51:22
Well. So if you plug your Wi Fi router into the wall, right, so you just unplug it
Marnie Dachis Marmet 51:29
somewhere I don’t even know. utility room, or I’m guessing it’s an IU or utility room in the basement.
R Blank 51:36
Okay, so that’s where we’re you can put it if you don’t want to have to think about it everyday, put it on a timer, like you know, those light switch timers like when you’re traveling and you want people to think your home, right, you can use that and plug your Wi Fi router into that. And then it’ll happen every night. automatically without even thinking about it.
Marnie Dachis Marmet 51:53
I feel like my phone will then just go right into LTE, it will like well, so. So then is that any different?
R Blank 52:00
Well, first off, if if you’re cutting out a source, your exposure is going to be less. So even if your phone is still in LTE, but your Wi Fi is off, your exposure will be less because the Wi Fi is off. But if we’re talking about at night, this is another example, your phone should not be near you when you are sleeping. But that actually gets into rule number two. So I’ll come back to that in just one second. Or you put your phone into airplane mode, right and say airplane mode. I’m not talking just about turning off cell data turning off LTE. I’m talking about turning off LTE talking about turning off Wi Fi, turning off Bluetooth, turn and go full airplane mode. That is another example of minimizing your your use of EMF emitting technology. Because you’re not giving up your phone, you’re just turning off the EMF when you’re not actively using it. Now the second rule, which
Stephanie May Potter 52:57
is quick question, sorry to interrupt, but I mentioned this the other day. And our I believe our security network is connected to the Wi Fi. Yeah. So is there a way around that? Because it’s especially when my husband travels, I always set the alarm. And I know when the Wi Fi goes off, we get that beeping noise. Yeah.
R Blank 53:17
Well, this is part of the so once this, once you start building on the universe, no, I mean the same issue. Yeah, well, then no, there’s no way to. I mean, I mean, there might be a way, and I don’t know, you’re gonna have to talk to your alarm company provider to see if that can run off of Ethernet. If that can run off of Ethernet, then you can turn off your Wi Fi without sacrificing your security system. But no, if you live in a place where your security system is based off of solely off of Wi Fi technology, there’s no way of turning off Wi Fi and still having your security system functional. Okay, so in that case, you know, if you’re not able to make that change, I say don’t worry about it, and focus on other areas of your life where you can make these changes and to have an impact on your exposure. Because the goal here isn’t to stress or to worry that you’re not doing enough. The goal here is to realize that there’s plenty that you can do. And even if you’re not doing like the number one thing I’m saying you should do, there’s still so much else that you can there is so much emf in our environments there are so that means there are plenty of opportunities to do something about it and then lower your health risk from this toxin.
Marnie Dachis Marmet 54:34
So we can all turn our phones to airplane mode at night and I’ll move our phones out of the bedroom so that’s the second key rule things that we can definitely do right that’s
R Blank 54:43
the second key rule which is maximum remember minimize was one minimize your use to is maximized which is maximize the distance which we touched on just a few minutes ago when I was telling you about the power of the exposure diminishing exponentially with distance. And that’s why if you keep your phone on it If it should not be anywhere near you, it should be I mean, people like a number. So the number is six feet away. But really, it should be in a different room. And there’s actually plenty of science, a growing amount of science, totally separate from the EMF issue, that just the mere presence of your phone in your room, even in airplane mode is going to disrupt your quality of sleep, because of anxieties and dopamine triggers that this device is is is resulting in in your body. And this is an emerging area of science that goes way beyond what what technology is doing to us and our health, that goes way beyond just the pure EMF side of things. So there’s plenty of that’s all by way of saying there’s plenty of reason not to keep your phone in your room that go beyond EMF. But if you’re gonna keep your phone on, just from an EMF perspective, keep it in another room while you’re sleeping. And another example of distance, I already said this earlier, but don’t carry your phone in your pocket or your bra. These phones are really high powered devices, right, they’re designed to be able to communicate miles to the nearest cell tower, if they have to. And when it’s right up against your body, you’re getting the maximum possible dose that this overpowered device has to give. If you move it even a few inches away, you’ve made a really big difference in your exposure. If you move it feet away, you’ve made an even bigger difference in your exposure. Another that by the way, this is related to why when we were talking earlier I said I you know, I have very strong opinions on air pods. The reason any Bluetooth I very strongly negative feelings about any Bluetooth headset is because it is impossible to create that distance these this whole class of wearable technology of which you know, I include Bluetooth headsets that it is designed to there is no safer way of using it by and large, right. So with air pods and other Bluetooth headsets, there’s no way to create that distance. It’s up there right near your brain in a part of your head where there’s no skull, providing any degree of natural shielding. And you tend to use them for extended periods of time. It’s another one of these products that has been deployed and released into the general public without any long term testing into what the health effects are. Because we are effectively the lab rats in that experiment.
Marnie Dachis Marmet 57:35
So scary because I mean, so many people use air pods every single day, like all day long, all day long.
R Blank 57:43
Yeah, no, I know. There’s the end. It’s a it’s just and that the other thing to remember about it is that it is it’s still it’s in addition to all the other exposures that we all have, and especially the children who are growing up today have because the children who are a children are more vulnerable to this type of damage physiologically, but be there, right when we were, you know, let’s say we were six years old, we had much less exposure than the kids who are six years old today. And, and so the kids who are six years old today have have decades and decades to live, where those incredibly high exposures are just going to grow. And every new thing that comes out, it’s not like it’s replacing anything else. These are all additive, they are adding to our cumulative exposures, which is increasing our individual risk of developing multiple negative health outcomes.
Marnie Dachis Marmet 58:48
So I have a question about that. So like, let’s say you are you hold your phone for one day next to your body the whole day. And then the next day you think about it, and you’re like, oh, I should not have done that. Is there a way to like reverse that damage? Or is it cumulative over time? Yes, cumulative we can do so there’s so the damage
R Blank 59:12
is done on to both things can be true, right. So the impact of exposure, the impact of cumulative exposure does increase your health risk, but living a healthier life will make you more resilient against damage from this and any other number of different toxins. So there are and we have some content on this. I am not personally a nutrition expert, but I work with some and we have content about this on my website about the use of nutrition to combat the damage from EMF exposure. We have stuff information on my website about the use of grounding that is walking barefoot on the earth to help undo some of the damage from EMF exposure. And of course, just exercise helps you become more resilient again to any number of different toxins EMF included. So, yes, lifestyle decisions will certainly impact how well your body recovers and recuperates from exposure to any damaging force EMF included.
Stephanie May Potter 1:00:21
So I’m curious because we well, like Marnie, and I, for instance, run this liver detox. It’s a functional medicine, liver detox to remove toxins from your liver, or these toxins that we get from EMF similar to other toxins and the products we put on our skin or the chemicals in our food, or how is there is there a way to detox
R Blank 1:00:41
your body? Well, there’s ways of detox yet well, yeah. Okay. So the answer to your question, EMF is different. Because EMF doesn’t reside in your body, right. So if you drink lead contaminated water, as a extreme example, that led is in your body until it works its way through you do something about it. With EMF, it’s, it’s a form of energy that passes effectively passes through your body and has impact while it’s doing so. Now, there are certain measurable impacts, like there’s certain bio metrics that you can investigate if this is if you were talking about how to undo the damage. So for instance, the accumulation of free radicals is, is a big one that can result from EMF damage. And there are ways of reducing the accumulation of free radicals. Part of the accumulation of positive ionization in your body is something that can be a result of EMF exposure, that can be undone, for instance, with certain nutritional approaches, or even with grounding, just walking barefoot on the beach helps decrease the amount, discharge the positive ionization in your body and help undo some of this damage. So but the answer is you won’t like if, if you just to be a little gruesome, you just cut somebody open, you wouldn’t see all the EMF flowing around in there, right? You you’d see some of the biological impacts and resulting exposures. Okay. All right. Well,
Stephanie May Potter 1:02:09
just curious. So can we I know, we’re gonna have to start wrapping up this conversation, which has been fascinating, we almost need to do a two part here. Let’s talk about some of your products that you can use to help reduce and minimize the exposure.
R Blank 1:02:23
Okay, well, so as I mentioned before, right, the best things you can do are those free things to minimize use and maximize distance, because there is no form of EMF protection that just undoes EMF that blocks EMF right. In there’s, there’s plenty of other types of EMF protection with absolutely no science to support the claims. But regardless, there’s no like, there’s nothing I know, consumers want this. There’s no way there’s no products that you can just go out and buy. And it makes EMF Okay, right, that doesn’t exist. So doing the free things that I was talking about. That is that is your best, most effective thing to do. And I talked about those, by the way in the in the guide that people can download, right at the homepage of shield your body.com. But there are there, there is value in high quality EMF protection, even though the best things you can do are those behavioral changes, right, I’ll give you an example. I have a product, it’s called my s YB phone pouch, and the phone pouch makes it safer to carry your phone. Now the best way to carry your phone is not in your pocket or in your bra or on your person or to turn it into airplane mode if you do, but there are a lot of people who either aren’t able to do that or aren’t willing to do that, right? Because there is no other like where am I going to carry it, it’s got to be in a pocket and it’s got to be on right because of work or I’m expecting a really important call. So that’s an example of where a good product like the sob phone pouch comes into play. Now, the way that product works and all of my products are based on EMF shielding technology, this is universally accepted, easily measured products right that is basically existed for about 200 years since Michael Faraday in first invented the Faraday cage. And what he showed 200 years ago is that if you weave conductive metals into certain patterns, you block and deflect EMF into the other direction where it dissipates. So it works just like you know window shade blocks sunlight, EMF shielding blocks and deflects emf in the opposite direction. So with my phone pouch we have the back of the pouch is lined with this radiation shielding and the front isn’t and that’s how you can carry your phone more safely deflecting this radiation away from your body while your phone can still work and receive calls and text messages and so forth. So that’s that’s a very popular product and that’s a good example of even though the the the optimal One action is to not carry your phone. Or to put it in airplane mode, there is still a role for good EMF protection. Now, again, I want to be clear, and we can talk about a couple other products. But I want to be clear, right? If your listeners go just go out and Google EMF protection, they’re going to find a lot of things. And I don’t mean just like competitive people that I consider to be competitors of mine. I mean, like a lot of different things like crystals, and stickers that make things perfect, and Harmonizers. And right. And I have this whole lesson available for people on our YouTube channel. But the whole thing is how to evaluate product claims from that that purport to be EMF protection, because there’s a lot of stuff out there that has no science to support it, or has pseudoscience to support it. Everything that I make and sell is based on real science. All of my products have been tested, all of my shielding products have been tested at independent laboratories. And I give people a free ebook, showing them how they can verify my product claims for themselves at home using consumer grade EMF detection tools. So that is that is something that I take very seriously because my father’s legacy is intricately intertwined in my company’s behavior. And so I take this very seriously. I also don’t like people, just being suckered and thinking they’re getting EMF protection, and they’re not. And so they’re walking around with this undeserved confidence even after they’ve been swindled. So it is very important that people understand not all EMF protection options are the same. And I strongly advise that people work with or give business to a company who whose products are based on real science, and that have the data to show that it actually does what, what what we claim it does.
Marnie Dachis Marmet 1:06:57
All of these products are on shields, your body.com. Yes,
R Blank 1:07:00
thank you. Thank you, whoever. Yeah, no, I agree. I will link
Marnie Dachis Marmet 1:07:03
that up in the show notes. And you have the guide on your website, as well. And it sounds like you have a bunch of YouTube videos as well.
R Blank 1:07:14
Yeah, YouTube is definitely a great refer anyone who wants to learn more about em. And we have a bunch of great videos up there. We’ve done a lot of webinars with me and some other very talented and expert individuals. All of that gets archived up there. All our podcast episodes get to that is a great repository of a lot of information for people who want to learn about this stuff.
Stephanie May Potter 1:07:34
And we’ll link all this up in the show notes. And just to mention, you do have a podcast, the healthier Tech Tech podcast.
R Blank 1:07:40
Yes, the healthier tech podcast. Yes, thank you. Yeah. And that was, I started that. Because and I think I brought this up a little bit earlier when I was talking about cell phones in the bedroom. But I realized that EMF is I mean, I do a lot of work in EMF. And it’s important. And I think the work that I do is, is very helpful to a lot of people in terms of educating, you know, what it can be a complex subject, an important and complex subject. But I realized there are a growing number of issues, health, effectively health issues stemming from our relationships with modern technology. So it’s not just about the health risk, from exposure to your phone, it is about what social media networks are doing to our minds and our children’s minds, it is about the expectations of being constantly connected to your job. And if you don’t do that, you know, your your professional life will suffer, right there all of these issues that are related, directly related to our relationships with modern technology that impact our health, that have nothing to do with EMF. And I wanted to create the podcast so that we have this forum in order to have these discussions with experts who can help educate us on on these things. So one example in the most recent season, we had on a member of the European Parliament, who is leading the charge for what is known as the right to disconnect, which already exists in a couple of countries. But he is working hard to pass it as the law in the entire European Union, which gives people the right to not have to answer their phone when they leave work. Sounds simple, but is soon going to be a human right in Europe that that is the case, even as in the United States, it’s a completely foreign concept. So these are the types of interviews that that we have on the healthier tech podcast.
Stephanie May Potter 1:09:36
Well, that’s amazing. I love that and just from lives. This was a long time ago, I did live in Europe for a few years. And if anyone can pull that off, the Europeans can because they appreciate and respect their privacy, their personal time and their family time outside of the office more than the average American I’ll just leave it at that that’s a topic for another day. And I do remember there was you had an interesting guest on about it was An educator in New England just for parents out there the technology in the classroom right now, so yeah, more lots to come on this, we will do it your due to this. Talk about because I love the lifestyle, the lifestyle stuff you’re talking about outside of the EMF is really powerful, really powerful.
R Blank 1:10:21
Thank you. Yeah, well, I’m always I’m always happy to talk. So if you want to do a part two, I’m more than happy.
Marnie Dachis Marmet 1:10:28
We also want to mention that you have a coupon coupon code, living well, for 15% off of your products at shield your body.com. Yep.
R Blank 1:10:39
And of course, I’m sure a lot of your listeners are American, so. But I also, of course, we ship in the United States. But we also have fast, affordable shipping through our website in Canada, the UK and the European Union. So anyone who happens to be catching this from around all of you know, NATO membership, we, we, we offer really convenient shipping options.
Stephanie May Potter 1:11:03
Marnie Dachis Marmet 1:11:04
you. So our as we wrap up this conversation, one question we like to ask all of our guests is what does the art of living well mean to you?
R Blank 1:11:15
Yeah, so and this has changed a lot for me, as my life has changed quite significantly following COVID. And that’s not a comment on the disease, but just the impact on the world. Living Well, to me, means feeling content with what you have. And that is, I told you, it wasn’t gonna I wasn’t gonna give you a long answer to that one. But that is the that is the most truthful answer that I can think of at this moment. Because at this moment, I have I have, I have a greater degree of contentment than I believe I have ever had, and what it does to my entire outlook on life, and business, and just getting to meet people like you, it’s bad is what I believe living well as
Stephanie May Potter 1:12:06
that’s beautiful. And I love simple to those simple. We all want to just be content with what we have. I love. Well, thank
you so so much for coming on the podcast today. We know this is gonna spark a lot of good dialogue with our listeners, and Marnie and I are excited about making some changes. And I actually told my recently turned 17 year old last night as he was doing homework on his bed with his laptop on his lap. I said, I’m gonna buy you something because I know on your website you have right like the laptop protector. And and I said, I told him that I was interviewing you and he was actually open to it. He was kind of like, okay, so that’s the next purchase I’m making. So excellent. Thank you for all you’re doing.
R Blank 1:12:49
Thank you both so much. This has been really, really great. I really enjoyed it.
Marnie Dachis Marmet 1:12:54
Such an important topic. So thank you for sharing your information with our listeners.
Stephanie May Potter 1:13:00
All right, have a great day. Are
R Blank 1:13:01
you too bye bye bye.
Marnie Dachis Marmet 1:13:08
Thank you so much for listening to The Art of Living Well podcast. We are so grateful that you joined us today.
Stephanie May Potter 1:13:15
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Marnie Dachis Marmet 1:13:30
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