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The Rebel Health Coach Podcast

The hazards of electronic pollution may once have been the stuff of science fiction, but now we know they’re all too real, and with the advent of 5G ultra-wideband technology, the danger is greater than ever.

We live in an EMF soup. Unless you live off the grid, never use your smartphone, smash your WiFi router, and use candles for lights, you’re going to be swimming in it. We’re exposed to levels potentially millions of times higher than what we would be naturally – and the dangers are staggering. From heart disease to cancer to neuropsychiatric illnesses, EMFs are causing a lot of harm.

That’s what R Blank is here to discuss on the Rebel Health Coach Podcast. R Blank is the CEO of Shield Your Body, whose mission it is to make technology safer. With hundreds of thousands of customers in over 30 countries and having been interviewed on platforms ranging from ABC television to ElectricSense, R is an internationally followed expert on issues of EMF, health, and safety.

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Thom Underwood 0:00
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Thom Underwood 2:19
Welcome to episode number 119 of the rebel health coach podcast on today’s episode. Are you wanting to know how you can protect yourself and your family from EMF radiation? Or do you even care what EMF radiation is? Or do you want like to know more? This is Episode Two listen to. Today my guest is R Blank c Oh shield your body and he’s about to educate you on a whole new level. When it comes to EMF protection in your daily life. Our has had the opportunity to make technology safer by providing free education to his audience through webinars, newsletters and videos. I might add that if you follow R Blank on his website, which the links are in the show notes, he does send out quite a few emails about emfs shield your body also has great tech stuff to make technology safer. R Blank is the CEO of shield your body whose mission is to make technology safer, with hundreds of 1000s of customers in over 30 countries and have even been interviewed on platforms ranging from ABC television to electric sense. R is an internationally followed expert on issues of emf health and safety. She was inspired to create shield your body when he co authored the best selling book overpowered with his father, Dr. Martin Blanc, one of the world’s leading EMF scientist. He has degrees from Columbia University and UCLA. I hope you enjoy this episode. It’s very interesting. If you liked this episode, please take a minute and rate and review my show. I’d greatly appreciate it. Have a fantastic day. R Blank. Welcome to the rebel huff coach podcast today. How the heck are you?

R Blank 4:18
I’m doing great. Thank you, Tom. How are you doing today?

Thom Underwood 4:21
I’m good, man. It’s good. So Wednesday, and I’m getting ready to go on a little fishing trip tomorrow to the Gulf Coast in Florida. So I’m excited to get out in some sauna boat and in the middle of the water.

R Blank 4:36
Yeah, that sounds really nice.

Thom Underwood 4:38
So before we dive into this very deep into the pool on EMF 5g and how to protect yourself and your family from these ghostly devils. How did R Blank go from a pretty astute and successful career as a technologist and as software development into this crazy world. EMF and 5g. Have great questions

R Blank 5:02
on Thank you. So it all started about 10 years ago, and my father, Dr. Martin Blanc, he was one of the world’s leading EMF scientists. And he’d spent his life you know, publishing papers and speaking, but largely the academic and scientific audiences. And so he got a deal to write a book for the general public to explain what he now at that point in his life, understood and had learned about the health effects of exposure to this type of radiation. And he actually, he asked me for some help to write it. Because I had a lot more experience, writing and communicating for general audiences. I at that time, I was on the faculty of USC engineering school, I’ve written up a couple of books. And so as I say, he asked me for some help. And so I dove in and I wrote it with him. And, you know, obviously, I’ve been aware of his work my whole life, but really, in the course of writing that book, and learning all this stuff directly from him, it really started to hit home, just how important a topic and an issue this is, I learned very clearly that the science is very strong. And this was 10 years ago, it’s even stronger now. But the science is very strong, demonstrating negative health effects from exposures to this stuff. But at the same time, you know, you also factor in that basically, everything that defines modern society is a source of this type of radiation, so you can’t get rid of it. So in fact, not only can you not get rid of it, it’s growing every year. And so there had to be, there had to be safer ways for people to engage with technology and to live their lives to reduce their exposure to this type of toxin that is increasingly everywhere. And so that’s one of the idea for us why the shield your body came from, and was the year after that. So that was 2012 and 2013. I launched my first product, which I still sell, it’s the pocket patch. But now about 10 years later, my catalog is about 20 products, we offer consulting, we have a ton as you were you and I were chatting just before the show a ton of information on the website, educational materials about the science, but more importantly, about solutions ways that people can live healthier with exposure to less of this stuff.

Thom Underwood 7:22
Okay, okay. The book, I think was called overpowered.

R Blank 7:26
Yes, right. Sorry, I always forget to mention that. Yes, the book title is overpowered. Yeah, it’s still available on Amazon still one of the best books on the subject.

Thom Underwood 7:33
I’ve got a copy of that. And I haven’t read it yet. But I got a copy a couple months ago, because this is something that I’ve been diving into, because this, this little gadget that we hold in our hands all day and stick in our pockets and women stick in their bras and other places. We live in a society of a toxic soup anyway. Yeah. And now we’re adding this plus the 5g is coming fast. And it’s not that healthy for us. And, and we’ll get into that. But you know, if the hazards of electronic pollution, you know, may once have been stuffed as science fiction, really, you know, but now they are really real. And with the advent of 5g, the danger is even greater than ever. I know there are some conspiracy theories that 5g caused COVID. You know, however, I believe that very well could have been the EMF and the 5g that play a reason this virus was so widespread, because they both caused massive mitochondrial dysfunction.

R Blank 8:46
Let me start here, I am well aware with the, with the conspiracy theories around the EMF and particularly around 5g. I don’t engage with those. But at the same time, I recognize like you were just saying we live in a toxic soup. And emf is one of the toxins that constitute this suit. And you know, these toxins definitely play a role in our immune system health. And in fact, there’s some good studies showing how EMF exposure can directly impact your immune system’s ability to respond to negative negative forces. But I don’t think you you even have to get to the to that level of discussion to really appreciate just so this stuff. That’s the thing, when people hear this covered in the news, you know, there’s a debate, do cell phones cause cancer. Ours is to our cell phones harmful is this type of radiation harmful? And it’s always presented as a debate. But if you actually look at the science, it is very, very compelling information. There are 1000s and 1000s of studies out there showing negative effects from exposure to this stuff. And when I say this stuff, I’m talking about levels that are less than you get from your cell phone and they in the effects range from at the left. Severe end anxiety, depression, sleep disruption, all the way up to more serious conditions such as infertility, miscarriage cancer and and so the science is really strong here. And you don’t have to believe that 5g cause COVID in order to really be concerned about what’s going on,

Thom Underwood 10:20
right now, it’s interesting because the mitochondria and the immunity system are interlinked. And it’s just, it’s not a tinfoil hat thing here. You know, I think there’s a book by Nick Pinault. Yeah, I think it was called a 10 foot and the non tinfoil hat.

R Blank 10:38
The non tinfoil. Yeah, yeah.

Thom Underwood 10:40
So and he’s he’s out there a lot, Nick pillows get out there a lot. You’re starting to hit the you know, that what you’ve been doing this, but your dad was way before Nick banal?

R Blank 10:53
Yes. Yeah. So

Thom Underwood 10:58
let’s start with the basics of this, because a lot of people really don’t take this seriously. But what is EMF

R Blank 11:06
do to start? Right, yeah, yeah. So EMF stands for electromagnetic fields. It’s also sometimes called electromagnetic radiation. And it is a form of energy. And as its name suggests, it’s formed by a combination of electrical forces and magnetic forces. So it’s an electromagnetic force. And the type of emf that people are most familiar with, even if they don’t realize it, is visible light, like we get from the sun, sunlight is a form of emf and EMF exists in the spectrum of different frequencies, the sunlight is right in the middle. So if you have more energy than sunlight, you have what are called ionizing forms of emf, they have so much energy, they ionize yourself, they’re not electronics. And these are super dangerous, even in really small doses. These include things like x rays, and gamma rays. And that’s why when you go to the dentist and you get x rays done, they put a lead code on you and the technician upstairs out of the room, because it’s that dangerous. Now, when you get less energy than visible light, you have what are called non ionizing. And it was long thought that these forms of emf were benign, that they did not have any harmful results, humans or any form of life. And these include things like radio waves, like they’re used for radio, radar, television, cell phones, and also lower frequency called elf that come off of like powerlines, and electrical appliances. And as I said, it was long thought that this stuff was safe. And the thing is, is over the past several decades, science has really shown that it’s not that exposure to almost any level of this stuff, has negative effects on your body, and, in fact, on all living things. And that’s now Well, we know what we did, we didn’t know when all this technology was being devised, and what people really just coming to the subject, but they really need to understand is yes, you know, for all of human history, we were exposed to certain level of emf from sunlight, also a couple other forces like lightning as a source of of emf. But before 1850, or thereabouts. That was it. That was all the EMF we were exposed to. And since then the invention of the light bulb and the power grid to power, the light bulb and all the appliances that run on the power grid, then wireless technology is we’ve been living in constantly exploding levels of this stuff in our environment. So kids today are growing up around much more of this stuff than you are I grew up with much more than we grew up with more than our parents grew up with, and so forth. And so that is that’s the that’s the sort of two minute version of what emf is, according to some estimates, and it can be hard to estimate this stuff. But according to some estimates, just an ambient level of emf in today’s cities, is over 1 trillion times higher than natural levels of emf that our bodies and all life on Earth evolved to live in.

Thom Underwood 14:17
Interesting. So basically covered, where do we find them all? in our daily life? How do they affect us?

R Blank 14:25
Sure, well, they that’s the thing is psychic. So they affect exposure to EMF affects so many different systems in our bodies. And there’s a few reasons for that. And I’m sure over time, science will learn even more but one in this this this science goes back to the 90s doctors lie and Singh discovered that exposure to radiation from a cordless phone which is roughly equivalent to a cell phone led to strand breaks and DNA that is mutated and and in some cases, killed DNA. DNA is in every system. In our body, and so we see effects really all over. Like I said earlier, you know, you have, you have infertility in men, you have pregnancy disorders of miscarriage women who have birth defects in children when the mothers are exposed in utero, there is science showing that exposure to stuff can lead to a reptile dysfunction. Obviously, brain tumors are concerned concerning to everybody. There’s a lot of science on the carcinogen, Jannati of exposure to this stuff. But it isn’t just brain tumors, we see there’s science pointing to incidence of colorectal cancer and thyroid cancer, sleep disruption, as I was talking about earlier, immune system suppression, that taking that exposure to cellphone radiation is has the same or similar type of effect as taking immunosuppressive drugs. You see it in the science pointing to colony collapse disorder in the bees, you see it in in birds with disruptions to the migratory patterns, it’s really kind of in all of these different systems. And again, it’s because our bodies are electric. And I tried not to sound too spiritual. When I say this, our bodies are really, bodies of energy. And our bodies communicate with our brain communicates with all the rest of our bodies using electromagnetic signals. But these are super, super, super low powered levels that our bodies use. And so when we’re exposing our bodies to all of these other signals, it creates this context where all sorts of disruptions and disorders can happen. And so that’s why we and all of our body is exposed to it. If you drink bad water, you know, with lead, right? That isn’t exposing every single part of your body to lead. But when you’re fully surrounding yourself with these forces, you’re exposing every single system in your body. And it relates to mechanisms and systems that every every part of our body uses. Like I said, the DNA and the electrical conductive messaging that our nervous system uses.

Thom Underwood 17:12
That’s why red light glasses are good. I’m sorry. That’s why like glass, like I wear my red glasses at night. Blue Light glasses, blue light glasses. Yeah, yeah. Red light. I said red light glasses.

R Blank 17:26
lenses can be reddish. So

Thom Underwood 17:28
orange is red. I got I have actually had Boggs that from I can’t think of the name of the company off my top of my head just went blank. But they turned from I could turn them to red, or a different aka ambarish color. Okay to cut down. That’s EMF. Yeah. And yeah, like, it’s pretty interesting, because not very many people are familiar with this. But also, the government doesn’t do a whole lot to help us with this.

R Blank 17:58
That’s correct. Yeah. So regulations really are not designed to protect us. There’s, there’s certain areas of emf, where there’s and this can differ a little bit around the world. But in the United States, there’s certain areas of emf emissions that are essentially entirely unregulated. So that includes the example I cite is powerlines. How much emf is emitted by your power line? It’s almost never measured, and it’s not regulated. But then there are certain classes of products and devices that that are regulated. And that includes, you know, cell phones, which all of us have. And the thing about cell phone regulation is that. So a the standard is 25 years old, it was established in the 1996 telecom act. But the standard that that act set, it is based on something called the thermal effect. And so we all know, we microwave ovens, right? Right. So microwave ovens, they use microwave energy to cook microwaves are the same sort of radiation that your cell phone puts out, except at much higher levels of power. And so we all know that when you have enough power of this stuff, it can actually cook, because that’s exactly how microwave ovens work. And so the regulations that exist are designed purely to ensure that your cell phone cannot burn you. That is it doesn’t exceed that it doesn’t. It doesn’t emit so much power that it can actually burn. That’s and cause immediate damage. So the radiation is that the regulations that exist are designed to prevent against immediate damage of burns. That’s That’s it, but it’s even worse than that. Because those regulations, there’s several problems with them. One is a lot of people think you know, when cellphone radiation is regulated by the Federal Communications Commission, or FCC, which is a government agency, that that government agency is actually testing these products. And that is not true because the companies themselves commission In the tests, and then report the results. And those tests that happen under, you know, conditions that are designed by the company itself. So that’s how you end up. If you look in the iPhone manual, for example, it tells depending on which model of iPhone you have, it tells it should not be held up against the head, right, you need a minimum level of separation, because that’s what they used in the test, whether it’s five or 10 millimeters, it wasn’t held directly up against the body. But that’s how so many people use their phones. It’s how they carry them in their pockets all day long. But it’s how the funds are designed to be used. But in the test itself. That’s not how it was measured. But again, it gets even worse. Like, the more you look at this, it just keeps getting worse. Because when you actually hire independent auditors to measure the radiation off of these devices, they’re much higher than what the companies are reporting. So for instance, in France A few years ago, there was what they call phone game where the government tested 300, some odd phones, different models of phones, they found that over 90% of them emitted more radiation than the manufacturer reported, and several units submitted more than was legally permissible, and were recalled off of the market. So for all of these reasons, and more, I don’t want to bore you. But the point is, this stuff is just not, it is not regulated to protect against human safety. It at best, it’s regulated, again, to protect you against burning. But that is a much higher level of power, than what we see in the science says yields negative health effects. Right. The science shows that levels lower than you get from a single cell phone are harmful. Basically, any level of this stuff has the potential to cause some degree of harm. And there is no purely safe level. And there but the regulations don’t account for any of these other factors. Again, they’re all based around not burning.

Thom Underwood 22:02
Crazy. It’s crazy. Like I said, it’s a it’s this is the wild wild west, basically.

R Blank 22:09
Yeah, it really is people need to under you know, because people and I, I’ve seen, I’ve seen a lot of the topics that you cover in your podcast, and, and so you know, more than probably a lot of people, but people when when they see something is available for sale, they kind of assume it’s safe, right? Because why would they allow him to sell it right. But as we see time and time again, that is just not the case. And it is the same with all of this wireless tech, all of it is released without any long term testing and to help affect the testing. The science comes after this stuff is released. And so that’s why we now know what cellphones do to us in a way that we didn’t back in the 1990s.

Thom Underwood 22:51
And that’s basically why we’re kept in the dark on this is because, you know, they’ve got a practice and they’re gonna push it through.

R Blank 22:59

Thom Underwood 23:01
And there is no really government standard here. And it’s sad, because let’s first look at some of the consequences here. First of all, the one that gets me the most is when you go to a restaurant and you see a table with their little child there that’s maybe two years old. And they hand them up. Well, first of all, they’ve got iPads already to keep them occupied. So their mom and dad can have some downtime. Right? You know, and then next, you know, if even if they don’t have an iPad, mom hands them their phone, and they’re chewing on it, you know, and push it looking on the screen. I mean, let’s talk about that for a minute. Because that’s that’s the Lola. I mean, those, that infant doesn’t have a developed body yet to begin with. Your brain. Our brains are developed, our skulls developed, their brains aren’t developed yet, or are they their skulls thick enough to protect them? No, that’s

R Blank 24:01
exactly right. Yeah. And you hit on a really important point, which, which I could have, I could have been talking about under the regulations, but I didn’t want to keep turning off. But it is super important, which is children are much more vulnerable to damage, I mean, from almost any toxin, but from EMF as well. And so going back to the regulations topic, for one quick second, right, I said those regulations are designed to, you know, for a certain level so they don’t burn you. Except that isn’t fully true, because they’re designed so that it doesn’t, they’re designed based on the body mass of a six foot tall 240 pound man. Right? So that’s where the regulations so anyone who’s smaller, which by the way, is about 75% of the human population, including children, they are going to absorb more of the radiation than the regulations allow. But then, when you get into the question of children in particular, there are several factors One is, they are smaller. And so if radiation penetrates, for instance, one inch into your skull versus one inch into a child’s skull, it is exposing a much higher percentage of that child’s skull than yours, because that that child skull is smaller. As you also said, their skulls or their skulls provide a certain degree of natural shielding provides a certain degree of natural shielding, children’s skulls are smaller, children are growing much fast. I mean, it’s, it’s, it’s by definition, right? They’re growing, which means their cells are divided, which means any damage to certain cells will replicate more quickly and more widely in their body. And then finally, they Fingers crossed, hopefully have longer to live, which means any damage that they incur as a result of these exposures their bodies have to live with for the duration of their life, which is going to be, you know, 678 910 decades, whereas, you know, if you were I have that same exposure, you know, I won’t guess how many decades we have left, but it’s fewer than 10. And for those reasons, and a few more children are much, much, much more vulnerable to exposure from the from EMF radiation than than adults are. And it’s really troubling. And you see this issue in schools in particular now, but as you’re getting at, you know, parents, they use these devices as virtual babysitters, they use it to get a little bit of quiet and sanity when they’re at the restaurant. But these kids are growing up in with so much more exposure, that I think it’s easy for people to sort of lose, lose sight of where things were when they were kids. But the kids today are growing up with exposure, so much more of this stuff, all of the time. I mean, when we were growing up, there was no Wi Fi. I didn’t have a cell phone. And so until 1999 I’m trying to think of other and we certainly didn’t have smart tech in the home, you know, the fanciest thing I had was like that Atari Pong device. And that was that wasn’t wireless, like my Commodore 64. Yeah, there you go. And so when I grew up, when I think back to growing up, I think, Oh, I grew up in high tech, because, you know, compared to my parents, it was high tech. But it was almost no, no wireless EMF in my life, compared to what the children are growing up with today. And so I think it can be easy for parents to sort of lose sight or not consider just how much of this stuff their kids are being exposed to. Yeah, it’s

Thom Underwood 27:43
pretty sad. You know, and then we’re talking about the dangers of a child. I mean, I’ve got a couple statistics here. Well, not statistics, but they’re not even statistics. It’s actual fact in 2011. Basically, 10 years ago, the World Health Organization actually classifies cell phones as a class to be carcinogen.

R Blank 28:07

Thom Underwood 28:08
So in 2018, the National toxicology program, which was a 25 million study funded by the NIH actually showed pretty conclusively that cell phone exposure causes cancer. To your point earlier, would you need to ask one carcinogen?

R Blank 28:29
Yeah, it is. Yeah. But I mean, there’s, there’s there, there’s a lot of motion to get it designated as class one carcinogen. And there Yes, as of right now, it’s a to b. Yeah, yeah. Let’s

Thom Underwood 28:39
talk about this is something that is that, and I’m going to go to the women, the children are in grave danger. We should we need to watch that, for sure. And we’re going to talk about ways to protect it. But the next one, I see a lot of men usually put it in their back pocket, or you put your laptop on your lap without any protection. So there’s your erectile dysfunction, and your sperm count and your reproductive system, get zapped. Women have a tendency to put these in their bra. Mm hmm. And I’ve seen some studies in the past where, where they did a vision of the breast, and they could actually see a phone print. I don’t know how true these are. But that was on Dr. Google. So we have to watch that.

R Blank 29:29
Yeah, the link between cell phones in bras and breast cancer is not the science there isn’t so strong yet in just in terms of the studies haven’t been done. But to your point there is there is anecdotal evidence just based off of the size and location of certain breast tumors corresponding to where women hold their phones, but you know, even if it’s not linked directly to breast tumors by strong science yet when you see it linked by A strong science to so many other types of tumors. You know, it’s it just makes too much sense that you shouldn’t carry your phone in bra. And in fact, again, going back to what I was saying earlier about, you know, if you look in your iPhone manual, they talk about a minimum level of separation of your phone and your body, you know, so the manufacturers themselves, you just using different words and very small font, in the manual are telling you not to carry it against your bra, in your bra against your body, the thing that people need to understand because, you know, as we we’ve said many times already, in this podcast, we are increasingly surrounded by kind of this toxic soup of emf, but what people really need to understand is just how high powered a cell phone is. Because I mean, if you’re, if you’re living in an apartment, you turn on the Wi Fi, and you see 30 different networks, you’re like, oh, my god, there’s so much Wi Fi radiation flowing through here. But the phone itself is very high power, underscoring this, because it is so important to manage how you relate and relate to and use your phone. Because that phone is sending a signal that it needs to be powerful enough to travel miles to reach the tower. And so even if you are surrounded by a ton of emf sources in your daily life, your phone, depending on how you use it, your phone could be a huge contributor to your overall exposure. And that’s particularly true when it’s in your pocket. And this gets to one of the critical areas of emf that is maybe a little unintuitive. But it’s very important for people to understand. And that is the power of emf diminishes exponentially with distance. So if you take, you know, a phone, and it’s one inch away from your body, and then you move it two inches away from your body, the power of your personal exposure has dropped 75%. And, and so if you move at six feet away, right, it’s way, way lower. Right. So when it’s the converse is when it’s right in your pocket, you are getting a full dose of what your phone is programmed to transmit in order to communicate miles and miles. And so that’s why things like cell phone hygiene, like not keeping it in your pocket or your bra is so important. Never talking on it up against your head always use speakerphone or a headset. That’s why these specific things matter so much, it’s because of that distance factor that I was just talking about. The power of emf radiation diminishes exponentially with this. And so that’s why, uh, you mentioned laptops, that’s another great example, you know, Dell, the other other companies have changed the name, they don’t call them laptops anymore, they call them notebooks, but Dell still calls them laptops. But if you open up the manual, it tells you not to use it within seven inches of your lap, seven inches, that. And so that’s why it’s just and that’s all of these are good examples of the amount of control that people still have, over their personal exposures. Even people living in cities, you know, surrounded, if you look out your window, you see five cell towers, you turn on your Wi Fi, you see 30 Wi Fi networks, you see all of these sources of emf around you. And despite that people still have massive control over their exposures and their family’s exposures. And then of course, the corresponding health risk. And, and that’s, that’s what I think is it’s a really important aspect of the message to get out there. Because it can’t once people say to me, I’ve been doing this for 10 years. And I see you know, once people learn about this, they can get overwhelming. And it can get terrifying, because you realize that the science is really quite strong on this. And this stuff is everywhere. And so that’s what you could just, you could feel powerless. But the point is that you actually do have power, you can eliminate exposures from your life entirely in modern society. But you can make big differences in your exposures based on how you personally relate to your technology.

Thom Underwood 34:03
Yeah, that’s it we’re going to get to how we protect us. But I want to talk another subject real quick before we get into that then your products. I really hate walking around like this with my cell phone to my here. Yeah, you know, this thing stays on my desk. But here’s the thing. earbuds and now those I pad, were air pods here months. Yeah. Now, I have a set hangs around my neck and dangles that I put it in my ear when I got to talk on the phone. Okay, but now you see these people walk around with these little antennas sticking out of their ears. Yeah. And those things have to be have to be zapping you radio hears

R Blank 34:54
Yeah, yeah, they’re they’re exposing your brain, your auditory nerves. And so what those use There’s a type of radiation called Bluetooth, which is in terms of the energy, it’s very, very similar. It’s almost identical to what your cell phone uses. It uses less power than a cell phone. Because as I said, cell phones have to be able to communicate from miles and miles, that Bluetooth only has to be able to depending on which type of Bluetooth, there’s three types, but anywhere from 30 to 100 feet. So they use less power, they emit less power than cell phone. But at the same time, it’s right in your ear. So it’s exposing your brain and your auditory nerve. And people tend to have very long exposure. So they walk around with this stuff in four hours or all the time in some cases, will just wear. And so yeah, I mean, again, it’s one of these things where, you know, I can’t point to specific studies and say, if you were air pods for 10 years, this is what’s going to happen to you. Because those studies don’t exist, because they released air pods put out any long term health studies, but kind of like the vaccine. Yeah. But we know what this type of radiation can do. And so you don’t want it right there. And you don’t want because there’s also a dose response relationship in the science that says, the longer that you’re exposed to this stuff, the greater your risk grows. And so the longer you’re wearing these things right there, the greater you keep accumulating risks with each of these exposures. And so yeah, Bluetooth headsets in general and airpots. In particular, just because of their popularity, I definitely recommend against those.

Thom Underwood 36:35
Okay, so let’s talk about ways to protect ourselves. So we’re gonna work backwards. Let’s start with the with the earbuds and work our way back. So the ear buds, how do you protect yourself from that? I know that you have ants air pod,

R Blank 36:55
yeah, you can’t, the only way you protect yourself against air pods is by not using them. Okay. And so in general, so I have what I call the two key rules of emf protection. And the first one is minimum, it’s, the two key rules are minimized or maximized, and I’ll explain both but the first one is minimize, which is minimize your use of emf generated tech. That is, the less of this stuff you use, the less of these forces you’re exposed to. Now, you can’t get away from EMF generating tech and still participate in modern society. So the point of minimizing is to not use devices that don’t bring sufficient value to justify the risks that you get from being exposed to them. So air pods are a great example. Because people are trying to think how to how to relate this, but there’s all of these tech options out there. And they’re growing. You know, there used to just be Wi Fi then there was iPods, then there was, you know, Alexa, smart speakers and smart fridges. Now, I mean, if you look, if you google online, there’s smart everything. There’s smart toothbrushes, smart hair brushes, smart kitty litter boxes, there’s even smart tampons, and which is it’s just ludicrous. Yeah, no, that’s not a joke, it really exists. And so with each of these things, you know, do you really need it? Do you really need it, because each of these things that you’re adding into your life is adding to your cumulative exposure, which increases your health risk. So as I say, you can’t get rid of every source of emf in your life, that’s just not practical. But that doesn’t mean you need to keep buying all of these devices. So air pods are among those where I say don’t use them. There are some people I know who take this stuff seriously, but still use them. But just for working out, you know, because regular headset wires get in the way when you’re running and you’re lifting. And they take this stuff seriously by cutting out the EMF, but they still use them to work out but just to work out. And then they don’t use them beyond that. Right? So these are the types of decisions that people need to be engaging in, they shouldn’t just be buying all of this smart tech because it’s cool. Or, you know, like, why do you even need a smart fridge? Really? Why do you need a spark? Why does your free refrigerator which is already a pretty significant source of that low frequency stuff I was telling you about? Because it runs on power? Why does that also need to become a source of Wi Fi radiation? Why what value does that bring to you? But Same for your washing machine? Why is your washing machine need to? Why does your hair brush need to be another source of emf, you know, so that’s what I mean by minimize Don’t, don’t use products that you know all these smart products mindlessly, just because they’re cool. You want to get it, you know, really decided if there’s a product that really adds value to your life, like your laptop or whatever computer you’re using. You know, you need that to get work done, obviously so you’re going to use it. But do you really need airpots? No, probably Do you really need all this other stuff? Probably not. So it’s it’s engaging in this more mindful decision making of cost benefit analysis. But in order to do that people need to be aware that there is this cost. And it’s not just to their wallet, it’s also to their health. And so yeah, there’s but there’s certain types of emf sources, like you were saying, airpots, where there’s no way of protecting against it, except to not use.

Thom Underwood 40:27
Okay. This is you brought up, I just googled this smart tamper because it’s, so this is a rebel health coach podcast. So I just got my flow champion. This actually goes to your phone. Yes, this isn’t a thing you don’t need. Right. If you can’t tell your tampons for you got an issue.

R Blank 40:56
I have no personal experience on there. But I do know that women have been getting by just fine with darn tampons. I want some time

Thom Underwood 41:05
without sticking this in your vagina? To tell you, you’re full. Yeah. Oh, my God, I can’t believe that. Anybody spend money on that. But anyway, I think there’s an app for that. Okay. And

R Blank 41:18
that’s another example of one that you can’t use more safely, right? There’s just no way. Right? Yeah. Because in order to use any product like this more safely, either need to be able to create distance, or insert shielding, which is like the kind of products I make, which we can talk about later. That’s what we’re going to get into that. Yeah. But in order to, for any of this stuff to be used more safely, we need to be able to create more distance, or apply shielding.

Thom Underwood 41:46
I appreciate I liked, I liked the two things. I saw that on the website yesterday, which, by the way, for those listeners out there, that their websites amazing. There’s a lot of resources out here. It’s shield your body calm, which the link will be in the show notes. But there’s a lot of stuff on here. A lot of good information and a lot of resources about testing. And we’re going to get into that before we close up. But while we’re on here, Buzz, you have a device here called the SY B which is shield your body. h AR D Yeah. So and now you have a jack on here. Most phones jack is eliminated now, but you can buy a connector on Amazon. Yeah. converter.

R Blank 42:33
Yeah, we’re gonna start selling a version with a ufsc converter. Pretty soon. Okay, cool. But yeah, so we have, we have two, so we have the heart. And we also have air tubes. I’ll start with the air tubes, because that’s a more traditional Yeah. And so using a headset is much, much, much safer than holding the phone up to your head. That said, regular headsets have, you know, metallic wires that go from the phone right into your ear. So there’s a little bit of that cellphone radiation, that’s going to be conducted over a standard headset wire. So I but I want to be clear, I don’t want to discourage people from using headsets, because it’s just so much safer than holding a phone up to your head. But regular traditional headsets do have a little bit of the phone radiation going from the phone right into your brain. So what air tubes do is they convert, instead of using wire the whole way, they have silicone tubes that are empty, that are hollow. And so partway up the headset, the sound gets converted from wire to air, and it goes the rest of the way through air. So it can’t conduct the EMF radiation into your brain into your ear canal. And so those are standard air tubes. shield your body has them. Other companies have them too. The problem with the air tubes is that the sound isn’t so great. So they’re great for phone calls. I listened to podcasts with them also. But for things like music, or watching movies on netflix or whatever you might want to do. The sound is just not that good. No air tube offers great sound. And never better. Yeah.

Thom Underwood 44:15
Does it still come with a microphone? So you can talk into? Okay, yes.

R Blank 44:18
So that’s where the heart comes comes in. Right. So the air tubes are great. They’re more traditional sort of anti EMF headset, the heart works differently. So the heart as you pointed out, and if people go to the website, they can see a photo, but it’s this little adapter. So you plug this adapter into your phone, then you plug your headset into the adapter. So it’s like a plug that goes in between your headset and the phone or the laptop or the tablet whatever you’re using. And it’s filled with this dielectric gel and it filters out. It filters out the stray radiation. So as I mentioned earlier, right, standard headsets conduct a little bit of the cell phone radiation up ahead. Set, but the heart does is it filters out that stray radiation in technique, it converts it into heat, but it’s such a small amount of heat. It’s not like it gets hot. And then so then you can use your regular headphones to talk or listen, your microphone will still work. And so that’s how the hard works

Thom Underwood 45:17
is a great price. Point two. Thank you. $39 for both either of them. Yeah. So that’s a good price point.

R Blank 45:27
Yeah, they’re both pretty popular products. Yeah.

Thom Underwood 45:30
I’ve always wondered about the air tubes. I’ve got a set here. That got shipped to me from David asked Barry’s went to did one of his conferences online because it was online because of COVID. But I haven’t I haven’t bought the converter. I was wondering how they work if they’re, you know, cuz I know Dr. McCall is a big EMF freak me. You can see him walking down the beach. I’m not going to say where he walks because then people stop him. And he’s already got enough. He needs bodyguards as it is these days. But he’ll he has a selfie stick.

R Blank 46:04
Yeah, he helps us. I’ve heard about that. Yeah, when he holds his phone away, right? Walking down the beach with it like this. It’s like, okay, yeah, do it again, distance really, really makes a difference. And that’s why he does it might look weird. It might be an extreme example, in his case, walking, but it really does make a really big difference. And that’s why he’s doing well, one thing.

Thom Underwood 46:29
I’m going to say like, right now I’ve got my router, my router sits on my desk right behind my laptop and my screens. And I have I protect that with a, I have a EMF cage around it. Okay. So I don’t have a very good signal throughout the house. But it works. You can still get it. It’s just it’s not. You know, it’s not fantastic. But it works hard wired, my computer’s hard wired into the router. And then I also have the router on a timer at night. Excellent. So those are amazing. Yeah, it’s my shuts off at 12 o’clock. Because I work a lot I usually study till about 11. So and work behind my computer. So I have it going off at 11. Midnight, and coming back on at seven. So that’s one way to protect yourself from your wife router in your house.

R Blank 47:24
Yeah, totally. So that’s, that’s a great way. So I said minimize is the first rule. And I gave examples of not using things like air pods or sort of tampons. But another way to minimize is to not use it as much. So turning off your Wi Fi at night is a fantastic example of something that most people can just do. And it comes at no cost to them, right, because you’re not using your WiFi while you’re asleep. So just turn it off, and you cut out that source, you know, for approximately eight hours. And it’s not just I mean, that’s a big chunk of your life. But it’s also an important part of your life. Because when you’re sleeping is when you’re supposed to regenerate, rejuvenate your body, prepare that next day, and you need restful sleep. And so it makes a really big difference to do things like that. I know people whose almost all of their scent, you know, because there are people who experience symptoms from exposure to it’s not just in 20 years, you’ll get cancer it’s like right now. You know, I have big things right now I big anxiety right now I can’t sleep through the night right now. I have rashes right here, ringing in my ear. And I know a lot of people whose all of their top symptoms basically go away within one or two nights just by turning on blacklight. That’s

Thom Underwood 48:40
especially if you end there’s two limes disease is a big one. If you have Lyme disease we have had Lyme disease. Yes, this is affects your system very, very fast. Also mold toxicity, your interview may expose the mode or you’re still going through mold toxicity treatment is another big one where that affects your body with emfs.

R Blank 49:05
I’m impressed you knew that that? Because a lot of people don’t know that. But yeah, there’s a very high, I don’t know the right word, but cross susceptibility. So if you like you were saying if you’ve had Lyme disease, you’re much more likely to be electro sensitive. If you have mold in your environment, you’re much more likely to be electro sensitive cut further compounding that is that there are studies showing that EMF exposure can stimulate mold growth. And so but ya know, most people I speak to didn’t don’t know what you just said. And well done.

Thom Underwood 49:38
A couple ways. But before we go into the rest of your line, there’s some things you could do on a cellular level for your body, if you’ve been are concerned about the emfs is co q 10 coenzyme Q 10 is a great supplement to help your body mitochondrial function and you know it Then an ad plus or an ad are good as another good one in reverse at all. There’s they’re actually life inspections has a na D plus sells regenerator. And with resveratrol in it. So those are ways just to throw out there if you want to get some supplements to add to your body that help regenerate your mitochondria cells. Those are good ones,

R Blank 50:25
those. I’m not I am not an expert on nutrition but but I, we do have a certified nutritionist on our team. And she’s done some content. She’s also been EMF, certified EMF specialist. And so we’ve done some content recently specifically on nutrition and antioxidant rich foods is very helpful for combating the building the building resilience against electricity activity. So you know, blueberries, cherries, rosemary, cromlech, festivals, pomegranate, basically the deep, deep, deep reds, deep purples, of fruit and veggies are really good, but also spices like, like rosemary and cinnamon. So yeah, the nutrition is a big factor in this as well as

Thom Underwood 51:15
it plays a factor in all of us that are you know, and and that’s something that’s it’s like the building blocks, it’s like, you know, people ask me, you know, Optima health is not that camp complicated, you know, it’s like, let’s just start with the basics of eating right. You know, and then the limit, like two years minimize your effects in me events as much as possible. You know, and, and, like, even in your car, you’re exposed? Is there a way? Yeah? Are you coming out with an item for your car?

R Blank 51:46
No, that one’s so. So all my productivity? That’s a great question. I get it all the time. And the answer is really no, all of my products are based off of our bit, except for the headsets, which we already covered. All of my other products are shielding products, okay. And they’re based on new universally accepted science, almost 200 years old, since Michael Faraday created the Faraday cage, which is like what you have around your Wi Fi router. And it’s, what it’s based on is if you create a mesh of conductive metallic metals or metallic fibers, you can deflect radiation in the same way that, you know, window shape will deflect sunlight. And so all of my products are shielding products, okay. And what that means is, you kind of need to be able to place it between your body and the source, okay, if in the cotton in this in the context of a car, the whole car is kind of the source. And so you need to, to kind of bubble wrap your whole body in standing in order to get that kind of protection with. But I do have EMF apparel. And so you can protect certain parts of your body from sources like your car, or anything in the environment that’s not in your immediate control.

Thom Underwood 52:58
Let me ask you this, if you put your phone, let’s go to your guests go to the phone shopping center here, your phone your pouch, if you put this in the s y beef phone pouch, and then cuz I plug mine into my dash, or it goes Wi Fi, but I usually plug it in. If I plug this into my dash with this, and there without that will eliminate a lot of

R Blank 53:25
Yes, but you’d need in the case of the phone pouch, you need the back of the pouch, but it’d be between your phone and your body. Okay, right, because the way the phone pouch works, and it’s designed primarily to make it safer to carry your phone. Because as I’ve said many times in this discussion many times before, you shouldn’t carry your phone in your pocket or your bra, but but a lot of people, right, they don’t have another place to carry it. And so they need some kind of way to do that. And so that’s why we have the phone pouch. Now the phone pouch is it’s as the name says it’s like a pouch. people listening can go to the website and check it out. And the back of the pouch has the shielding material and the front doesn’t. So that’s what allows your phone to still work and communicate, but while still protecting your body. So in the case of any shielding shielding needs to be between the source. Okay, and what what you’re trying to protect to reduce exposure.

Thom Underwood 54:18
Okay. All right. That’s the pouches. Nice. And the price points. Amazing.

R Blank 54:23
Thank you. Yeah, and that’s that’s, that’s my most popular as well

Thom Underwood 54:26
as to talk about the pouches. You got a couple different colors. Oh, you got

R Blank 54:32
six colors to sizes six out Yeah.

Thom Underwood 54:34
And it doesn’t show you you’re fitting the sizes of the phones that are coming out with.

R Blank 54:39
Yeah, increasingly, you know, phones just keep getting bigger. Right. And at a certain point, it’s, it’s not so great to just put it in a pouch. So that’s why we now have the sling bag. It’s it’s up there on the site too, and it’s like a small backpack. It’s like a single shoulder. Strap backpack and you can carry over either shoulder. And it’s great for big phones, it can hold tablets, you readers. It can hold multiple devices. And it’s a pretty, it’s actually now my favorite product. It’s hard to have favorites when you know, they’re like my children. But now the sling bag is definitely my favorite. Oh, it will have a laptop too. No, no, okay. No, it’s smaller than a laptop. Okay. So it’s just four, it goes up to like, it’ll hold an iPad. Okay. That’s like the biggest. And that’s really nice. Thank you. Yeah, that’s just one side is shielded beside that’s between your tech and your body. That’s what deflects radiation away from your body while still allowing your tech to work.

Thom Underwood 55:43
Alright, let’s go into we’ve done our cell phones. We missed the sheet phone shield.

R Blank 55:49
Yeah, that’s similar to the pouch. Except it’s not a pouch. It’s just like a card. So if you carry your phone in your pocket, you can put the 5g phone shield between your phone and your body. Okay. And it will deflect the radiation away from your body.

Thom Underwood 56:03
So if you carry if I carry mine in my back pocket, yeah. So if you’re not going to put it in the pouch, you can put this in your back pocket. Yeah. Okay.

R Blank 56:12
Yeah. So that was a it’s almost identical in terms of function. It’s almost identical to the phone past. It’s just some people don’t like pouches, but they still want this same type of like, you were just saying the same type of protection. So so you just use it a little differently, but it performs the same purpose.

Thom Underwood 56:29
And then we have we talked about this, the headsets, laptops will go to laptops, we have a this is a question that came up last night when I was working on this, but the laptop pad. Now see, I’m gonna bring up a subject. I have somebody else’s utensil that was in Davis berries box again. It goes on the back of my phone. Yeah. And I’ve always wanted, I really want to invest in a meter. Yeah. And we’ll get to that. But I wonder how much protection this has. And I have one on the bottom of my computer. But I’m thinking that I should get this pad and put it underneath my computer, instead of because I don’t think this thing’s doing as much good as that pad would do.

R Blank 57:19
I keep thinking trying to think of new ways to answer this question. Because I’m asked it a lot by customers. And in interviews, I recognize that there are products out there that are not based in demonstrable science, but that can still work, or that people say we’re okay, that said, I really focus on products that have demonstrable claims, right. So I can hire a lab and have them perform a test. And it can say it blocks 99% or 99.9% of cellphone radiation. You can buy a meter on Amazon, not just any cheap meter, but you know, $150 $160 meter, and then use it and verify my product claims for yourself with a lot of products out there that claim to protect you from EMF, they do not have demonstrable claims that you can’t measure if they’re working. And because there’s no regulation in the space, I have a very hard time endorsing or recommending products where you can’t prove that they’re working with certain products. You don’t even know what they’re claiming. Do they’re like, oh, it just makes it safe. Well, how does it make it safe? Oh, it harmonizes the field. Well, what does that mean? And so there’s there’s, there’s a lot of a lot of potential snake oil on the market, which is y, s y B and my company, we only focus on these shielding products where you can measure how much they’re working. And that’s why he isn’t the only shielding company out there. I think, you know, we’re the best, but we’re not the only one. So I’m not saying SV is the only one with products that really work. But there are a lot of companies out there that sell products that have no basis in science and have no claims that you can demonstrate scientifically. And so you know, at least if you’re going to buy it realize that’s what you’re by.

Thom Underwood 59:13
Okay. And with that said, Are you planning to come? Well, there’s no reason to carry your laptop around with it turned on. So I guess you don’t need like a laptop bag. You know, because you usually turn off your laptop and throw it in the bag. So it’s not on. Let’s go to like that fact that you’ve got claims because you’re right. I have devices that are supposedly tested, but who knows if they work, and they’re not cheap. Yeah. Some of these play like there’s just some, some abetik Have you heard of them? I believe I have Yes, they make this thing that’s $850 and it’s supposed to protect your home. apartment from emfs I kind of find that hard to believe. So anyway I was just I go down these rabbit holes sorry. Oh, that’s,

R Blank 1:00:11
it’s cool how familiar with this topic you are not, not a lot of people I speak to

Thom Underwood 1:00:16
it causes so much damage. You know and I’ve got a friend I have two friends one with lives and one with more than both of them have all kinds of issues. And I’ve been talking to them about this repetitively. So anyway, let’s go to your apparel. Let’s go to your apparel you haven’t neck guard. Yet neck Gator? neck Gator?

R Blank 1:00:44
Yeah. And what do you use? So yeah, neck Gator is. I mean, that’s kind of a generic product name. You can look for neck online. Yeah. So it’s an it’s like a neck tube that you can wear in all these different ways you can wear around your neck, you can wear it on your head, you can wear it as a balaclava, you can wear it as a cap, except ours is made with the shielding material. It’s 90% silver 10% spandex, which gives it its form, okay, and all with all of the apparel, it protects the part of the body that it’s covering. So whether you’re talking about the neck Gator, we’re talking about the bandana, the baby beanie, or the men’s boxers, and we have, we have other apparel and development, it’s only got so it’s not like you put on this neck Gator and your whole body is magically protected, right? It’s protecting the area that it covers, which in the case of the necator is generally going to be the brain or the thyroid. Depending on what the person wants to wear it for. is true for the bandana neck. It’ll be either the brain or the thyroid, although some people use the bandana more on their lap, so they’ll use it like as a replacement instead of like the boxers or the laptop. They’ll put the bandana on your lap. Yeah. Okay, that is 65, the bandanas, 65%, silver, the 35% silk. All of so all of my I mentioned, you know, the shielding technology, you can use it, you know, conductive metals, there are different types of conductive metals you can use. For certain products like the phone pouch, or the laptop pad or any of the other products that aren’t apparel, we use different materials like nickel and cobalt, which which can provide the shielding. But when it comes to apparel, the shielding material we use is always silver, because it is hypoallergenic as well as other other benefits, like its anti microbial anti odor. So all of our apparel products are are made with silver, as well as some other material to turn it into a fabric. Whereas other our other products aren’t generally, I don’t think in any case yet there none of none of our other products are made with silver, because that helps keep the cost down on some of the other ones. Silver is obviously a very expensive, raw material to be working with.

Thom Underwood 1:02:57
Okay, let’s go into babies. Baby B, that’s a great one. What age does the baby baby go through? up to two years old? Okay.

R Blank 1:03:10
Okay, so I have a few sizes. Okay, kids are growing very fast at that age. So we have sizes to get from newborn to 24 months.

Thom Underwood 1:03:18
And the blanket of course, for newborns.

R Blank 1:03:21
Yeah, well, a lot of a lot of adults use it to, okay, it’s 40 inches by 32 inches. And, you know, people will use it in airplanes. They’ll use it if they’re just laying on the couch, you know, with their tech in their lab. So a lot of adults use it too. But we launched it as a baby beat up like it and I just never renamed it but a lot of adults and

Thom Underwood 1:03:45
yeah, it’s it’s a good It has see the color choices

R Blank 1:03:52
as pink, blue and gray. And with polka dots or

Thom Underwood 1:03:56
so that would be a good blanket. Just to keep out on the couch is probably your lap to put your laptop on. Alright, what about the beanie? Yeah.

R Blank 1:04:06
Yeah, yeah, both of those products are spaced with silver shielding. And How’s this? Is it washable? Pretty Yeah. All our apparel is washable. Okay. That’s pretty key to make. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But other products to your point other than the phone pouch is not washable. The sling bag is not washable. But the but the apparel is all washable. All right, as is as is our bed. Bed canopy is

Thom Underwood 1:04:30
also washable. That’s what I was just going through. Now. This is an interesting thing. So the bed canopy has a canopy put over your bed. And that protects the whole

R Blank 1:04:41
whole area. Yeah. Yeah. And so that came about it because you notice if you as you go through my catalog, all of my products are under $100. But a lot of them are under $40. And so you know why do I have this bed cam because as you see on the website, that’s a that’s a much more expensive product. But kind of a big jump, you know, it goes up to 1600 or $2,000, depending on the size. So why would I add that to my catalog when I focus so heavily on products under $100? The reason is because and this this, this especially happened last year, when COVID was first sitting, and people were really freaking out about 5g, and they just wanted protection. And you see, there’s other products, you mentioned a couple on this interview already, that claim to protect your whole apartment or your whole house. You know, I’ve never seen any product like that, that, that has claims that can be substantiated. So but I realized you could actually protect your whole bed. And because you can surround your bed with shield, right. And that’s, I added this product to the catalog specifically to cater to people who want to protect, you know, they live in your cell towers, and they can’t move, they, their neighbors have Wi Fi routers, you know, a ton of them, and they can’t control whether they’re on or off, or how far away they are from, there’s all of these sources increasing in the environment that you have no control over. And this product gives gives you that control, not all day long, not everywhere in your house, your apartment, but it gives you control for you know, eight hours on average right in your bed, so that you can have more restful sleep, so that you can have that period of the day without those exposures. And, and so that’s that. That’s why I added the canopy to the catalog. In some ways, it’s the most protective product I made. Because it fully it’s not just around the bed, there’s also mats that go under the bed. It’s a full cube of protection all night long.

Thom Underwood 1:06:48
So that’s, that’s pretty cool. We think that’s a good idea. And Chris got a map, protect your bot to the from the floor up. And then from then the whole shield around the bed. Because I know some people live in towers. And I’m like, good luck with that. And I like and I tell him I said you know, you may want to consider some things, some devices for your home. You also offer consulting, your poster frames and lions, I want to ask you about this. Oh, sure. So what was the what was the reasoning behind this.

R Blank 1:07:27
So you’re talking about the poster frame liner, right. And that is a it’s a it’s a type of fabric that is a shielding fabric. But it’s it comes pre cut in a couple different sizes like 1818 by 2424 by 36. The idea is for some people who have an area that they want to shield on their wall, but maybe there’s a smart meter on the other side of it, maybe their neighbors have a Wi Fi router router. On the other side of it, maybe there’s some there’s some other source on the other side of the wall that either they have no control over, or just logistically needs to be where it is. And so they want to shield against it. So the idea was to to create a poster frame liner so they could put shielding. But you could put it in a poster frame. So you can cover it with a poster or printer or photo. And so no one needs to see that there’s this big block of shielding on your wall. Instead, they just see art. And so it’s to create these sort of large shielded areas on your wall. But that that aren’t apparent because from anyone who’s looking at it will just see art.

Thom Underwood 1:08:31
Okay, cool. And then you have just a shield, you can buy six by six piece of flux you Yeah. So you can cut that to any size you want. Like, I see the lat see I have a laptop pad with foam on the bottom, but this would be perfect to cut out and put on that pad.

R Blank 1:08:54
Yeah. any flat surface that you want to put shielding on is that’s what that’s designed for. So and yeah, you can cut it to custom sizes, you can put multiple two together, you know, side by side to cut it larger areas,

Thom Underwood 1:09:06
they come in a four pack. Alright, let’s talk about testing EMF testing real quick. You also have you actually have some information on your website about how to test what to test. You have a nice video. And so what you said that you could buy a meter. Yeah, on Amazon. And I there’s a couple different ones. I’ll dig up some ones and put them in the in the in the show notes that I recommend or maybe are could give me a couple of to put in there. Sure. And you can email that to me and I’ll put them in the show notes. But it’s really necessary to protest your home.

R Blank 1:09:51
Yeah, I am a big advocate of that. Because I guess it’s implicitly that we didn’t i didn’t actually say it earlier in the in the interview but this stuff, it’s in visible, it’s odorless, you can feel it, smell it, touch it, taste it totally invisible. Even if you are sensitive to this stuff, you don’t know exactly where it’s coming from. So in almost all cases, you just have no idea how much you’re being exposed to. Now you can do certain things right off the bat without measuring. So that includes like, not carrying your phone in your pocket, turning off your Wi Fi, because you know, those are sources. And you know, there are things you can do about it. But beyond that, there’s a bunch of sources that you just might not realize your source, there could be just like one part of your wall, where the way the electrical wiring is done, just leads to a really high level of emf, because a lot of electricians don’t know how to wire to minimize these forces. And you would have no idea about that, because you need a meter to be able to tell. And, you know, there’s one example, customer of mine, measured in their living room, and just found these really high magnetic fields in one part of the living room. And it was where the counts was. And then they measured the end, it was coming out of the wall, it had to do electrical wire and kind of thing that was talking about. And they measured another part of the room that was only a few feet away. And the readings were much, much lower. So they moved the couch. So they’re spending their time, you know, when they’re in the living room watching TV or doing whatever, they just have much less exposure, they would have had no idea that that was the case unless they measured. And so for people who are aware of emf and want to take action to minimize their exposure to EMF, learning how to test is the only way to do that, because that’s the only way you’re going to know how much there is in your environment. Just a few months ago, I was staying in a rental. And just for fun, because I’m that kind of dork. I took out my meter. And I was measuring around the rental. And I went up to the entertainment center and the electrical fields coming off the entertainment center were massive. Like, I’d never seen fields like this before, in a residential setting. And I was testing I’m testing I’m poking my meter around, I figured I figured out it was the DVD player. I would never have guessed that the DVD player was a source of this level of electric fields. So I unplugged it. Because it’s not like we watch DVDs anyway, everything’s Netflix these days. So so I just unplugged it. I would never have known to do that. Had I not been measuring? They’re all there’s all of these examples that you can cite. And once people start measuring, they’ll see immediately see what I’m talking right. They’ll see like, Oh my god, how did the level get so high here. And it’s really important to measure in places where you spent a lot of time so not only in your bedroom, but on your pillow, because that’s where your head is online. Not just I mean, yes, everywhere in your living room matters. But where your couches matters where your child’s crib is really matters, right? And so it’s it’s not just about understanding where things are everywhere in your house. But the conditions where you and your loved ones spend the most time are really important.

Thom Underwood 1:13:09
Yeah, you know, and that’s a good point. Because anything unseen you have to measure. Yes. Oh, by real quick before we close out, sure to touch base on 5g and why I have an engineer friend who a real close friend actually works for a company that’s making these 5g things for towers for Comcast. Okay, so we have this debate going all the time. I said it because I call him. I said, You’re the evil engineer. And he’s like, 5g causes no more threat than any other ci. So let’s talk about that. Real quick. Before we close out Why is 5g so much more dangerous? I mean, I get it, because there’s taken it to a whole nother level. Yeah,

R Blank 1:13:57
well, so. So first off, what your friend doesn’t understand you just based on what he just said, is just even if it weren’t overtake stress than the prior cheese, that is not mean, it’s safe. Because the prior G’s have been linked to so many negative health outcomes. Now there’s a lot of discussion online about why 5g is is considered more dangerous. And the reason there’s a lot of debate on this is because once again, it’s being deployed with no long term testing. We don’t know exactly what it’s going to do, because they aren’t testing it for safety. But there there are a few things. One that people tend to focus on and then there’s there’s another aspect that I tend to focus on. So we’ll start with what people in general are saying, which is not only is this stuff not tested, this is a whole new spectrum of emf, right? So it goes whereas whereas 4g goes up to leave it’s eight gigahertz somewhere around there. 5g is going to go up to 300 gigahertz, right? So it’s opening up this whole new part of the EMF spectrum for consumer use, that has never before been used in consumer electronics or consumer technology. So these are all new frequencies of emf that have just been, not only are they not studied, they’ve never been used. And so the worry is, we have no idea what that’s going to do. But that’s, that’s just one aspect of 5g Another is that the infrastructure is different. And so this is, at least at the start, it’s going to be affecting cities, more than less densely populated areas. But 5g doesn’t travel as far. So you need a lot more of these antennas operating at higher power, than with 4g. So whereas with 4g, you’d see I you know, I towers, you know, every mile or two, or whatever it might be. Now they’re going to be on every city block, probably multiple on a city block. They look different. We have examples on the block, but they look different. They’re designed to kind of embed into the environment more cleanly. So you might not even realize that there’s a 5g Tower, on the lamppost outside of your apartment, so that you’re going to have a lot more of these towers in network densification. That creates just a whole lot more of these sources of peace exposures. So those are two big reasons that a lot of people say when they talk about how worried they are about 5g, which is a whole new set of frequencies, and a beefier infrastructure that just has a lot more of these towers and sources of stuff. Now, I want to get to why I think it is what I think people should be worried. Why do you have all of these new towers? Why do you need to tap into these new frequencies? The reason is, because 5g is more than just a cell phone network. 5g is a cell phone network, right? There’s a whole bunch of 5g phones out there. If you’re in certain parts of the country, you can now be talking on 5g. But 5g is much more than a cell phone network. 5g was built from the ground up to support an order of magnitude, larger, multiple orders of magnitude larger actually. network of devices, right? So it’s not just cell phones, it’s all of this smart tech. It’s smart meters, it’s smart cars, it’s smart homes. It’s all of this smart tech. So the network has been designed to support an explosion in the number of devices connecting to. And so when people ask me, and in fact, we have a video on YouTube. But that goes into this question, in particular, just I just do last week. But when people ask why are you worried about 5g? Yes, I am worried because all of these frequencies they haven’t been tested. And we don’t know exactly what that means. But really, what it means is we’re planting the network, the foundation for an explosion in the number of devices. And each of these devices are going to be a source of another exposure. And as we covered earlier, but regulations that exist are not designed to protect us from even one of these much less hundreds or 1000s of single taneous exposures, which is, which is what is going to be happening in the coming years. And that is all being made possible by the 5g network, which can support so many more nodes on and I hope I explained that. Yeah,

Thom Underwood 1:18:28
it was perfect. It’s perfect. It makes me sick, but it’s perfect. And I’m going to put links for a lot of this stuff in the show notes, your website, Facebook page, YouTube, LinkedIn, Instagram, I don’t scratch off LinkedIn. You don’t need any more traffic on LinkedIn, Instagram, and also send me some links for the meters that you recommend. And I put her notes. Yeah, I’ve got a link for your father’s or your your your father’s book, overpowered and I’ve got a link for your father’s website, because there’s some really good information on there as well. I’ve got a link to some things about cancer and in the mitochondria, and they’re from the scientific study. One thing before we close that has nothing to do with 5g What does it have sense it’s a frequency if our had 3530 to 45 minutes to kill what album artist would you put under listen to Oh, man, I

R Blank 1:19:38
used to be so into music. And as I’ve gotten older and just you just work so much, and I’m not really able to work and listen to music anymore in a way the way I was when I was when I was a young kid so hard when you’re older. Yeah. So you know, because I found so out of touch with music. I don’t know what’s current. Now, and when I do have an opportunity, this is what I’ll say. But I do have an opportunity to listen to music. And I have no idea what I want to listen to. I turn on the live stream from KC rW in Los Angeles, and that’s a kcrw Wu Tang. It’s a public radio station. And I remember when I when I first moved to LA, and in the year 2000, I just fell in love with that station and they play such great music. So it takes all the pressure off of me having to stay current, you know what?

Thom Underwood 1:20:27
I mean? Realistically, the music currently is not as good as it was when we were growing up. I’d much rather go back and listen to Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd and Frank Zappa and all the good old music but the music today. Just it just grinds on you. Yeah. And I was like, Okay, give me some jazz. Give me some old old school. Well,

R Blank 1:20:54
you should try case here W. Might be

Thom Underwood 1:20:57
I remember Casey, rW when I from when I lived in Long Beach. Okay, yeah. Yep. So yeah.

R Blank 1:21:05
I apologize if there was a cop out of an answer.

Thom Underwood 1:21:07
No, that’s okay. I mean, Now luckily now, with the advent of E Amaury about a second listen to kcrw, who over here in Atlanta.

R Blank 1:21:18
You can listen to it on Ethernet to right. Yeah, and not get McAfee exposure. All right, my brother, thank you so much. Thank you. I really appreciate this opportunity. Yeah, absolutely. I’m

Thom Underwood 1:21:29
glad you reached out to me and wanting to come on the rebel health coach podcast. We’ve gotten into some tampons for a little bit. I was a little interesting. Yeah, it

R Blank 1:21:40
was great conversation. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much. Thank you.

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