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The Refined Hippie with Rebecca Hinson

Rebecca Hinson is the Refined Hippie and her podcast, she covers holistic nutrition, health, plant-based living for mind, body, spirit, and the planet!

On this episode, Rebecca and R have an extended chat covering a wide range of topics, including:

  • R’s story
  • different types of EMF
  • ionizing versus non-ionizing EMF
  • living in our modern world
  • what is 5G
  • smart tech
  • bluetooth
  • cars and EMF
  • infertility
  • impact on our immune system
  • autoimmune diseases
  • how to reduce exposure
  • EMF protection products
  • EHS (electro hyper sensitive)
  • toxic load
  • Faraday cages
  • R’s top 3 EMF protective products
  • community Q and A
  • Healthier Tech Podcast
  • testing for EMF
  • and more!



Rebecca Hinson 0:14
You’re listening to the refined hippie podcast, a show all about holistic lifestyle, nutrition and plant based veganism. For a mind body spirit approach to living healthfully and happily for ourselves and our planet.

Welcome my lovely friends to another episode, I am your host, Rebecca Hinson. This episode is very exciting as they all are. But this is a topic that we have never covered on the podcast. We have done almost 90 episodes. But we have never talked about EMF and 5g And today, it is such a treat because we have an expert on these topics on the show, telling us all the things. Today’s episode is with R blank, who is the CEO of shield your body, a company that creates products that make it easy and affordable for people to reduce their exposure to wireless radiation from our devices that we use all the time, our cell phones and laptops, and he is on a mission to make technology safer. His company has hundreds of 1000s of customers, over 30 different countries, and has been interviewed on platforms ranging from ABC to electric sense, and he is an internationally followed expert on issues of EMF health and safety. R was inspired to create a swabbie after he co authored the best selling book overpowered with his father, Dr. Martin Blanc, one of the world’s leading EMF scientist, along with being an entrepreneur, technologist and author R is also the host of the new healthier tech podcast. So be sure to check that out after this episode. But R and I get into some really great conversations surrounding EMF and 5g We of course talk about his story. We get into the different types of EMF ionizing versus non ionizing EMF, how to live in our modern world. What is 5g Smart Tech Bluetooth cars and EMF we of course get into the health implications of this type of radiation including infertility, immune system problems, autoimmune diseases, we talk about EMF protection products, toxic load, Faraday cages, and RS top three EMF products that everybody should have. It is an extremely educational and informative episode. You might even want to have a pen and paper ready to take some notes because there’s a lot of really good information in here. So without further ado, here is my chat with the inspiring R blank.

Hello, R welcome to the podcast. Hi, Rebecca.

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R Blank 3:09
Thanks so much for having me. This is this is great. I am

Rebecca Hinson 3:13
super stoked. I have been doing the podcast for around three years now. And this is the first time that we’ve touched on this topic. And it’s been one that I’ve wanted to talk about, but I didn’t really I don’t know much about it. I know like I kind of know just the fact that it’s bad that EMF and 5g are bad. And that’s kind of the extent of it. So I’m excited to deep dive in this year.

R Blank 3:42
Apple Watch. No, no, no, no, no. Oh,

Rebecca Hinson 3:46
no, I’m anti. This is just a normal battery powered. It’s like it’s actually a surf watch it has like it’s a Nixon watch you it has like the tides and stuff on it. So no, I don’t have cool. I’ve actually been anti Apple Watch since I came out. I’m like, I don’t need these people to know. I mean, like, at least with your cell phone, you can leave it and then the government doesn’t know where you are. They care Apple doesn’t know where you are, you know, so I don’t I don’t prescribe to them. A lot of people do it. It does look like an apple.

R Blank 4:18
Yeah. So sorry for the

Rebecca Hinson 4:22
it’s I’m not offended. Not too offended. But yeah, you your background is pretty intense. I feel like this type of research and technology, kind of like runs through your veins in a way because of your father. So tell us a little bit about your background and your dad.

R Blank 4:46
Okay, sure. Well, my background before I got into the work I’m doing now was in software engineering. And so I had a software engineering firm in Los Angeles and we’d make apps and games for You know, companies like Apple and Microsoft and Mattel and Honda. And then it was about 10 years ago, that my father and my father was Dr. Martin Blanc, and he was one of the world’s leading researchers into the health effects of exposure to EMF or electromagnetic radiation. And about 10 years ago, he had a contract to write a book about everything he learned in his career, sort of a top level summary, but aimed it at just regular people, not other scientists, not academics, not activists. And so he asked me for some help to write that book. And that book became known as overpowered, it’s still available still one of the leading books on this subject. And it was in the course of writing that book that a few things really hit home. Now, as you noted, obviously, you know, he was, he was my father for my entire life, it didn’t just start and 23. So I knew, at a top in a very broad way, I knew some of the issues involved. So for instance, I knew why I knew was because of my father’s work that we never had a microwave oven. And I knew that once I finally got my first cell phone, which was right after college, I knew never to hold it up against my head. But other than some basic stuff like that, I didn’t really learn everything that I that I eventually did when working on that book with him. And so there’s a couple of key bullet points to note. One is that the science on the health effects of exposure to electromagnetic radiation, it is very strong, it’s stronger now. But in 2012, it was already very strong. Because oftentimes, when you hear this covered, you’ll, you’ll hear debates, there’s no conclusive proof, there’s no definitive evidence, there’s not this and that. But if you actually look at the science, it paints a very compelling picture of just how impactful this is to human health and affect the health of all living things. Then the second is that the stuff that emits EMF forms the entire basis for what we consider to be modern society. And, and that includes our jobs, our entertainment, our health care, even the ability to stay up at night, you know, without a candle, right? This all relies on stuff, emit EMF radiation. And so when you identify a toxin like tobacco, it is possible to regulate that out of existence. And you’d have some very annoyed people who are jonesing for their next fix. But that would be the extent of the damage that that causes. But with EMF, you can’t get rid of it unless you’re willing to go back to a life of an a world like we had in 1850. And so you have on one hand, the science is painting this very compelling portrait, but on the other hand, you can’t get rid of this stuff. And so I realized there had to be safer ways for people to engage with and use modern technology. And that’s where the idea for what became shield your body, or sy B, that’s where it came from. So that was in 2012. And 2013, I launched my first product, and I’ve been going since then.

Rebecca Hinson 8:22
That’s amazing. I think it’s great to just that there are people trying to create solutions for this because like you said, we’re not gonna go back to the 1850s. I mean, even if you were to go live in the middle of the woods, you would still probably be exposed to some I mean, you were

R Blank 8:39
used to be that you could get away from it. Increasingly, that’s not really the case anymore. So where where EMF comes from, well, actually, if I can step back, when when, when one step further back, EMF, there’s a lot of different kinds of EMF. And they exist on what is referred to as the electromagnetic spectrum or the EM spectrum. And right in the middle, we have visible light. So visible light, like the type we get from the sun is a form of EMF. Now, this was essentially a few minor exceptions are essentially the only form of EMF that humanity, and in fact, all life on Earth was exposed to, for the entirety of the history of the planet. So then you have certain forms of EMF with more energy than visible light. These include things like X rays, and gamma rays, and everyone knows that this stuff is super harmful, even in really, really low doses. So whereas x rays can sometimes be, you know, important and useful, you know, to get as few of them as possible, and it’s why the technician always leaves the room when it’s happening, right because this stuff, and so they have so much energy, these forms, that they’re called ionizing, because they have so much energy that they can knock electrons loose from the cells in our bodies. That’s the, that’s the mechanism by which they are so damaging. So, everyone, this is not a controversial topic at all, it has always been known that this stuff is really harmful. So then you have a type of a few types of EMF with less energy than visible light. And these are called non ionizing. And it was long thought that non ionizing forms of EMF radiation were benign, they were harmless, they did no damage. Now, science going back now about 100 years, and growing in that time, shows that that assumption was was incorrect, that this stuff can and does impact human humans and all living things in a wide variety of ways, which I’m sure we’ll we’ll start to get into now it’s these when when people like you have someone like me to come on the show and talk about EMF, it’s those non ionizing forms of EMF that we’re talking about. And those come from anything that communicates wirelessly, and anything that runs on power. So that would include power lines, Transformers and electrical appliances in your kitchen. So we’re talking about a lot of different sources of EMF radiation, all of them technological, and, and growing, right. So when I say you’d have to go back to the 1850s, that’s roughly the the invention of the light bulb. You know, back when they introduced the light bulb, there was still barely any emf in the world. And then after that, they introduced a power grid to power the light bulb, so everyone could have light bulbs. And once the power grid was in place, they started to, they built new applications, in effect to run on this platform. And that’s where we got appliances. And then we realized we could communicate wirelessly. And that’s where things like radio came from. And then we use the same technology for radar and television. And then eventually, we got, you know, cell phones and Wi Fi and Bluetooth. And what you can see by these examples of all these different technologies is over time, the amount of EMF in our environment has grown exponentially and continues to do so. So whereas even you know, 20 years ago, it was possible to find places without exposures to these forces. Increasingly, that is just not the case, given the proliferation of, of cell phone networks of satellite networks, and, and the grid itself.

Rebecca Hinson 12:27
And then just the all the things that you have hooked up in your house, I mean, yeah, I was, before this interview, I was obviously trying to just like, analyzing everything, I’m just like, oh, my gosh, or even beside your bed, you know, I mean, I have like, I have less, I became a little bit more where I got a grounding mat a few years ago, and like, really get into grounding or whatever. And so we were kind of testing I guess. I forgot what what my husband was using for that. I guess it was a frequency thing. What are those called?

R Blank 12:58
I don’t know what depends which type of general Yeah, EMF meter, but I

Rebecca Hinson 13:02
think it was Yeah. And I mean, just even when the things were off, it was still admitting it felt like I had a heating pad thing. And it was just like, off the radar like so. And then I unplugged it. And then it was like, like, no, that’s

R Blank 13:17
because even when those are off, they’re still they’re still connected to the, to the wiring in your wall, and they can conduct the fields off of off of that.

Rebecca Hinson 13:27
Hmm. So what is technically like, like, EMF versus 5g? Because obviously, everybody’s talking about 5g Now, which, I mean, what is the it’s basically the same thing. It’s just like a different technology of have or what have you.

R Blank 13:44
So 5g is a type of EMF 5g is actually a it’s a technology, obviously. And it is the fifth generation, currently the most current generation of cell phone network. And one of the things that makes 5g different from 4g and 3g and prior generations is that is designed to operate at frequencies that can go much, much higher than have ever been used before in consumer applications, so that they are both 5g is a type of microwave radiation, which is the same type of radiation that your microwave oven uses to cook food, just at a different level of power.

Rebecca Hinson 14:28
Sounds just explaining it that way. Kind of sounds like scary.

R Blank 14:34
So yeah, that’s so 5g is a type of this non ionizing EMF

Rebecca Hinson 14:40
when it comes to 5g, from what I understand, and I don’t understand a lot of this, so it’s a little over my head, um, is that it’s the rate of the frequency that’s different with 5g versus other things like the how do you like the high

R Blank 14:57
frequency is it is the wave frequency wavelengths are interchangeable. And, and? Well, wavelength is literally the length of the wave and frequency is how quickly it’ll repeat. But they are they correspond directly. So So yes, Will 5g is designed to operate at higher frequencies, or shorter wavelengths, that’s saying the same thing, higher frequency or shorter wavelength, then 4g, and Wi Fi, and Bluetooth and so forth.

Rebecca Hinson 15:27
And with the 5g, you have to have setups closer because it is.

R Blank 15:34
So the higher the frequency, the less distance it will travel. And the more easily it’ll be obstructed by other like buildings. And

Rebecca Hinson 15:43
yeah, so what’s the deal with that, then if if if 5g cannot go through buildings, then why should we? Why should we be concerned?

R Blank 15:53
Well, it? Well, I’m trying to think how to best answer that, because I’m not one of these people who says that 5g is like, the worst thing we should be worried about. But a it doesn’t go it just because it doesn’t penetrate buildings reliably enough to power a network doesn’t mean it doesn’t penetrate buildings. Second, companies are working very hard to circumvent those limitations. So that is why you have so many 5g towers, when it’s compared to 4g, they need to be, you know, they need to be much closer, they need to be about every city block or so. And so the companies are obviously very invested in making the network as usable as possible. And so they, the the characteristic that you’re talking about is going to be overcome is already being overcome, which is how you can get 5g reception inside of a building.

Rebecca Hinson 16:53
I mean, do you think you think that 5g is inevitable that 5g is going to be everywhere? Like Do we just is it

R Blank 17:00
Yeah, I mean, most it’s going to be mostly this is how technology works. So just like 4g, got everywhere, eventually pushing out 3g 5g will eventually push out 4g, and six g is already in development. The part about 5g That I don’t know I say this in the least sensationalist way possible. That that really concerns me most? Right? that I want is not so much the frequencies, which we can talk about why that is, but I don’t, it’s because to me, all these frequencies are bioactive. So 5g is it’s another frequency, it’s going to have health impact, but so does 4g, so does 3g. What What concerns me most is the whole The whole reason for 5g existing, you know, they market it to us as super fast. And you can download a movie in 3.2 seconds, which no one ever needed to do in the first why do you

Rebecca Hinson 17:57
need that? I mean, the fact that you and I can look at each other in zoom, I’m like, I think it’s good enough, sorry.

R Blank 18:05
So they market it to us as a faster technology. But it is, it wasn’t built to be a faster technology, it was built to support many more devices, right. So basically, they were running out of room on 4g, given the number of the the amount of growth and the number of devices that we have, and that are connecting to these networks, they needed a network that was engineered from the ground up to support orders of magnitude greater number of connections. When I talk about connections, I’m talking about more cell phones, more cars, more smart homes, all of these things that need to connect to these networks. And so when I say that, what that means is, we’re going to have orders of magnitude more sources of EMF in in our world around us. And that is the part about 5g that I find most harmful to human health is that it enables this massive increase in the number of sources of EMF which then will have a corresponding impact on our exposures, number of connections.

Rebecca Hinson 19:09
So my to your to your point about the 5g and then wanting to well not having space for all the different connections, I guess. It’s like whenever you nowadays, well, we just had our kitchen renovated. And when you’re looking at appliances, there’s so many appliances now that are connected to Wi Fi. And I’m like, Why Why? Why do I need my refrigerator to look in my refrigerator and then tell me what I need to buy. I can just do that myself, you know, or my oven or whatever. I’m just like blown away. And I guess people were buying this edit, they think like oh, this is so much more convenient. I’m like, was it that hard for you before? Was it really

R Blank 19:52
smart fridges are a great example because that’s one where I see basically no viable use cases. There’s Nothing that a smart fridge would add to my life. Now, there’s other smart tech, where I do see the value it brings Now it doesn’t mean I’ll go buy it. But I can see why controlling your door lock remotely could bring value or accessing your alarm security system, from your phone, wherever you are. Again, I’m not advocate, I don’t own these things. And I wouldn’t advocate that other people go out and buy them, but at least I can see the value in it. Whereas there’s so many products. I mean, smart fridges, to me are among the worst ideas, because they really don’t do anything that that you need done. But then there’s all these really silly ideas. Like, I don’t know, if you’re aware they make a smart tampon. Yeah. What? Yeah, I mean, I obviously am not a target consumer of that. So I’m not entirely but I think it kind of measures your Flo and sends data about you, your biology to your phone, and then you but that is, oh, there’s something you don’t need. And it’s in an incredibly vulnerable part of one’s body.

Rebecca Hinson 21:05
100%. I mean, I’m already concerned. I mean, women should be more aware of the fact they’re putting terrible, terrible toxins. I mean, most tampons are just filled with toxins, which is like the most absorbent place in your body. Yeah. And then on top of that, then oh, my gosh, that is the That’s the weirdest thing I’ve heard in a long time. And

R Blank 21:23
they have smart hair brushes, which obviously, again, I’m not a target consumer. But that I guess, measure aspects of your hair health and send that to your phone. There’s all sorts of I mean, smart kitty litter boxes, there’s all sorts of this smart tech. Yeah, that that you just really don’t need and, and increasingly not with litter boxes so much. But increasingly, it is very hard to find the non smart version of something. So for you know, I have I have a an elliptical. And it is impossible to find an elliptical anymore, that doesn’t have Bluetooth and Wi Fi. What’s more, is it’s impossible to turn off the Bluetooth and Wi Fi. So you have to keep it on while you’re you’re doing your workout, and then unplug it at the end just so it’s not operating on continuously. Yeah.

Rebecca Hinson 22:18
Wow. I mean, do you foresee eventually all products are going to be like that?

R Blank 22:24
It? I mean, all? I don’t know. All that’s that’s why, yeah.

Rebecca Hinson 22:30
That’s extreme. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think about Bluetooth in the car?

R Blank 22:36
You know, so

Rebecca Hinson 22:39
sorry, I guess everybody’s like, I love Bluetooth?

R Blank 22:42
Well, so my view is, is that all of this stuff is bioactive, the more of it you’re exposed to, the greater your risk of developing a wider array of negative health outcomes. So but at the same time, you have to balance right that a lot. A lot of the stuff, you know, smart tampons aside, a lot of the stuff that exposes us to these forces brings value. And so you have to constantly engage in this process of, is it worth it? Does it actually add more enough more value to my life? Because all of this stuff is again, it’s ad, when when I talk about studies that show, you know, EMF causes X health outcome or y health outcome that’s based off of exposures that were 10 and 20, and 30 years ago, it’s not based off of exposures today. And so we don’t know what today’s exposures are going to cause. Because they’re so much greater than they were 10 and 20, and 30 years ago, so when it comes to any one of these technologies, I, I really advocate that people just really think, does this tech, actually add some real value to my life in a way that, you know, it’s, it’s worth it, and I’m going to use it, I mean, I carry a cell phone. I mean, I carry it, I try to carry it as safely as possible, but I carry and use a cell phone. On the other hand, I don’t use any Bluetooth technology, because most of it is designed to sit right on your body in some way. And that is for reasons we can get into that, to me is a very unhealthy kind of exposure. And I also have among the lowest tech cars that you could possibly have. In fact, it came with a Bluetooth radio, and you couldn’t turn off the Bluetooth in the radio. And my car was stolen. And they returned it but without a radio and we just didn’t get it replaced because that was the one one piece of wireless tech that was integrated into the car that we couldn’t deal with. So that was my risk because I you know, I just don’t see the value in in in those technologies.

Rebecca Hinson 24:51
Yeah. My I think at this point, as far as cars go, I’m going to end up with just always having An old car like I don’t, I don’t ever want to get in, because you’re, again, it’s with cars, I think for sure, you’re not going to be able to opt out of whatever, you know, whatever technology they have in it, whether like my mother in law’s car, when you get in it, it scans your face. What, like my husband was driving it and and he got in. And it said something about does not recognize, you know, and you had to like press some override button. And he was we were just so freaked out. We’re like, I want to drive this thing ever again, like this is a scary, I didn’t even know that was a thing. You know, and my car, I think my car right now is a 2016. And, and that’s the first car I’ve ever had that had the Bluetooth, you know, for the phone, which I have enjoyed, just because you can be hands free. But that’s the extent I think of an I get like you’re saying trying to pick what’s the most important and adds the most value. And I do think that that is one that I would say does. So, but anything past that in the car, I’m like, I don’t need any of this. Yeah, and

R Blank 26:05
you might be interested to know that. I mean, and I can, as far as I’ve been able to tell. And I’ve talked not only have I done this research, I’ve talked to people and have assigned people in my team to do this research. As far as I can tell, there are no EMF exposure regulations or guidelines or standards in place in a car. So you you like if you wanted to find out how much EMF you were being exposed to in your specific kind of car, you can open the manual and find that out. And as again, as far as we have been able to tell, there are no regulations governing that and Americans spent a tremendous amount of time in their cars, it is much higher than a equivalent equivalently developed nations. And so it’s one of these, and as you pointed out, right, you can’t disable a lot of these things. So but at the same time, you know, that’s a good example, because you’re using it hands free, that makes driving safer. So, you know, you don’t want to skip the EMF exposure, because you’re worried about the health concerns, and then start texting and driving and then end up in a car. Right. Yeah. And goal in mind, which is to Yeah, so yeah, yeah.

Rebecca Hinson 27:14
So let’s let’s backtrack on onto the health implications of EMF, like what does the science say on kind of like, I think some of the most important the areas that people are concerned about is obviously reproduction, which that’s a common topic that people are talking about sperm count infertility, all these things like, what what does it say? What what is it doing to our bodies?

R Blank 27:37
So I really do you can you can you.

Rebecca Hinson 27:44
It’s so faint. It’s fine. Okay. Okay. Really?

R Blank 27:48
Okay, I do. This wasn’t the scheduled time. The Fates conspiring against us?

Okay, so in terms of infertility in particular, you know, the, the research on this, and the science is very strong, that, that carrying a phone? Well, let’s say in these terms, EMF exposure in general is very harmful to sperm, it is also harmful to eggs. But eggs because they are buried deep inside, they have more natural protection. So they’re less vulnerable in practice to these exposures. But there’s very strong science. I mean, right out of Kaiser Permanente, for instance, that men who carry their phones in their pockets are much experience much higher rates of infertility and sub fertility. The good news there is that because we recreate or regenerate our sperm approximately every 24 hours, that when you stop that behavior, for instance, of carrying your phone in your pocket or using your laptop on your lap, that the the overall health begins to improve, like I say, within about a day. So but the the science there, again, is is is very strong. When it comes to eggs, like I said, you know, they have much more natural protection, where, in my view on the reproductive side, the concern really starts coming in is once you are pregnant, and so there’s a lot of research showing that there’s for women who have higher levels of exposure when they are pregnant. They have, for instance, a much higher rate of miscarriage. According to one study, again out of Kaiser Permanente, it’s a 2.72 times greater risk of miscarrying than women without those higher levels of EMF exposure. But what’s what some people find even more surprising is that even if the child is born and appears healthy children, how do I children who were when in utero exposed to higher levels of EMF radiation have greater rates of health impact You know, 710 13 years later, and I’m talking about incidences of things like asthma and ADHD. So the reproductive side is, is, is very concerning.

Rebecca Hinson 30:12
That’s very intense. I think this is like one of the main I guess maybe one of the main headlines when you talk about EMF, you know, it’s, it’s always about like sperm count and fertility. So what I mean, it’s just obviously not keeping your cell phone in your pocket, or, you know, close to that air in general area. What are other easy ways to reduce that exposure?

R Blank 30:39
Oh, that’s, I mean, that’s the, so I’m not carrying your phone in your pocket. That’s actually my number. Even if someone’s not asking you about sperm count. That’s still my number one piece of advice for people because these cell phones, they are very high powered devices, when when we’re talking about EMF emissions, I mean, the phone itself needs to be able to communicate over many miles, right. That’s how they’re designed to reach towers. But it’s not just the phone, oftentimes, people leave on all the wireless connections, which means they also have a Wi Fi card that’s emitting and they also have a Bluetooth card that’s emitting. And they’ll have many of these newer phones have NFC or near field communication, which is used for things like Apple Pay, and Google pay those that uses a totally different type of and so you have this very high powered device, right in your pocket. Now, why does it matter? That it’s in your pocket as opposed to a foot away from you? And the answer is that the power of EMF radiation diminishes exponentially with distance. So if we, I don’t know if you’re going to use this video or not, but I generally hold up examples. So if you have your phone and it is one inch away from your body, and you double that, move it to two inches away from your body, you’ve cut the power of your own exposure by 75%. Because every time you double the distance, you’re cutting the power of your exposure by 75%. Conversely, when it’s right up against your body, you’re getting a maximum possible dose of radiation that the device has to offer. And so that is the that, again, you know, it’s right up against the gonads, which is a very sensitive part of the body. And so that is why it’s very important to not carry your phone in your pocket, or your bra, or anywhere directly mounted on your body, or to turn it into airplane mode, if you do because when you’re in airplane mode, the EMF emissions are essentially cut off entirely. But then again, it that’s that’s a powerful example. It’s one I always cite, because so many people do this. But any it holds true for anything, right? So you don’t want the tech right up against your body. So I’ve mentioned Bluetooth devices earlier. And one of the reasons I don’t use them is because almost all of them are designed to be worn right up against your body. Another example is laptops, you don’t want to be using a laptop in your lap despite the name. In fact, there’s there’s certain there’s certain models of Dell laptops, where if you read the manual, they talk about a minimum of eight inch distance of separation between the laptop in your body in order for quote unquote safe operation. It the same is true by the way for cell phones, not not seven or eight inches. But for instance, if you if you go into the iPhone manual, you will see that they recommend a minimum distance of separation in order to remain at or below federal regulations of radiation exposure. And these are products like laptops, they designed them to be used in your lap phones, they designed them to be hauled right up against your head, but then they put in the manual, don’t do it. And nobody reads that nobody reads nobody do the thing that we designed this to be used for. And but these are examples of ways in which to engage with this technology more safely. And even if you know there’s you’re worried about the number of 5g towers that are going up near you, or if you’re in an apartment building and you see all these different Wi Fi networks that are on when you’re there. You know even in that world that we live in, where all of that is happening, when you’re holding this high powered tech right up against your body that is going to be a huge source for you personally, again, given even given everything else that’s going on. So addressing that proximal source by your own behavior is going to have a massive impact on your overall exposure level and your overall health risk.

Rebecca Hinson 34:38
And it’s one of the easiest things that you have control of yes, yeah,

R Blank 34:42
exactly right.

Rebecca Hinson 34:43
I’ve definitely seen over the years you know people you know some lady got breast cancer and then the daughter says she carried her phone or like you were saying in her bra all the time and it’s like no wonder and I then the cell phones up against your I tried it I trying to talk on speakerphone all the time, you know, but then sometimes when you’re in store something you don’t

R Blank 35:04
want to be so then you use a wired headset. Yeah, use a wired head wired. Yeah.

Rebecca Hinson 35:09
And then when those like air pods, I mean, when those air pods came out, I was like, This is not good. You know, they’re like, literally inside your, your head, almost, you know, like, how can that be good? And all these young people, like my nephew wanted them and like, and I’m just like, what, what is what are we going to see here in the future? You know, so?

R Blank 35:26
You know, that’s a good question, because it’s a good opportunity to explain to your listeners, that this stuff is released, without any of the testing that would tell us that, right, because the types of health effects with the exception of certain ones like, like the impact on sperm, most of the types of health effects that we talk about when it comes to EMF exposure, these take years to form, right, they take five years, 10 years, 1520 30 years. And, and so far, you know, tumors, tumors take a lot, they don’t just you use the phone wrong. And then the next day, you have a tumor. I mean, thank God, that’s not how it works. But it also means we don’t know, right? Because they don’t have to do this kind of testing in order to release a product onto the market. And so all this whole generation of of children that are wearing air pods and similar technologies, day in and day out for years, we have no idea what impact that’s going to cause except let me let me, let me let me backtrack, we do have some idea. We don’t know definitively the the the why do we have some idea, because Bluetooth uses a form of EMF radiation that is very similar to Wi Fi, and is relatively similar to cell phone radiation. And so we know, for instance, the links between cellphone radiation and brain tumors, the impact on the optical nerve, the impact on other important nerves in our head, which contains a lot of really important stuff, let’s be abstracted about that, right? I mean, the head has a lot of important stuff going on. And you know, brain tumors get the bulk of the attention because they are terrifying. And because there’s some very compelling science behind it. But there’s other stuff going on, like I say, the eyes, the eyes are very sensitive part of your, your your body, and the Your ears are very close to your eyes. And also another one, right, one of the reasons why air pods are more harmful or less present a greater risk is I mean, a big part of it is how close they are to you. But another part of it is that there is no skull, separating where an air pod is held and your brain, right, because there’s a hole in there to allow your your ears to work. And, and so I say that because the skull provides a degree of natural shielding, obviously not perfect, but at least some. But when you’re when you’re talking about a source right in your ear, that protection isn’t there. The same is true for your eye, your eyes are totally exposed, there is no skull protecting them. And so these are really sensitive things. And, and people are just especially children, I mean, it’s true for everybody, but the younger you are, the more vulnerable you are to this damage from these forces, and the longer you have to live with the impacts of any of that damage. And so it is it is really but to, to address that question, in particular, it’s going to be another five and 10 and 15 years before we can say exactly what impact air pods are having on people, because that’s how long it takes to manage to for these diseases to manifest.

Rebecca Hinson 38:41
And just with science in general, you know, reference tobacco or asbestos or, or any other, you know, horrible thing in the past so that we now know it’s like so obvious, like how do they not know that or DDT or whatever, you know, and these things take time. And And sadly, a lot of people get sick in the meantime, and you know whether or not they can make that connection. At first, they might not, you know, just like with even brain tumors or whatnot, they might just think it was the luck of the draw kind of thing. But was it? You know, really what they were doing for all those years? Or what I mean, it’s kind of hard to say, think,

R Blank 39:22
ya know, and Further compounding that issue, right is to answer that question as precisely as you can. First off, you can’t do it on them. Very rarely Can you do that on an individual basis, right? Look at somebody who formed a tumor and say exactly what caused that tumor in that person. So what you do is you look at the incidence, the rates of incidence of that disease in bigger populations and then look at their behavior or what they’re exposed to and they’re based off where they live. And that that body of that that that approach to science is called epidemiology, which is the study of incidence of disease in population Now the reason I’m pointing this out is because in order for epidemiology to work, you need to have a group of people you’re studying. And then you need to have a control population, the people not exposed to whatever you’re studying. And as we were talking about earlier in this conversation, there is almost no such thing anymore. So how would you study a population as a control group, when you’re talking about EMF exposure? Now, when you get down to certain things like air pods, yeah, they’ll probably be able to, to figure out that there were some you know, it’s not like everyone uses air pods. But but it becomes a really big problem in a world where everyone is exposed to this stuff. And it makes it harder and harder for science to answer these questions. Meanwhile, we’re still having these incidents of disease. And as you pointed out, on an individual basis, you’re like, what caused this? I don’t know. Okay, you know, bad luck.

Rebecca Hinson 40:56
Bad luck. Yeah, it was just, it was inevitable, sort of the, you know, what it’s like with a lot of diseases. I mean, 99%, or 95% of them at this point, I was like, Well, I don’t know what caused it. And then you’re like, you don’t live for 40 years? What did you eat? You know, like, where did you live? Like you had a toxic? Well, I mean, there’s always for 95% of them. You know, things just don’t happen out of the blue, you know, I mean, a very small percentage can be attributed to a genetic defect or something that really is something in you know, and when I say genetic, I mean, not, there’s a great quote, that is, that I love so much. That’s genes loads the gun, but lifestyle pulls the trigger, you know, and so it’s like, that’s a very small percentage of what mean, so you have a lot of control of the outcome of your life, or at least, to try to make it as, as healthy as you can, you know, and I think that’s, that’s

R Blank 41:54
great. And it’s even true, even absent, just following, you know, following birth. You know, people ask me, What can I do to protect myself and I come to the table with all these things you can do like not carrying your phone in your pocket as well. But another big thing you can do is just live as healthy life as you can, right? So the better your nutrition, the better your eggs, and I am not one of these, I am not in a position to be, you know, I am not a paragon of personal health, you know, I’m okay, but, but I’m not. So I’m not trying to talk down to people. But it is true that the better your diet, the more you exercise, the more resilient your body is going to be against any number of different toxins 100%, including EMF. And so if you’re really concerned about your EMF exposure, diet and exercise are two of the things that you can be doing to improve your personal resilience and reduce your your health risk from this toxin just like from so many others.

Rebecca Hinson 42:49
So so true. So true. I want to touch on EMF and the immune system because obviously the past few years, everybody’s we’ve been more concerned about their immune system, which they always should be because that’s the pillar of health. So explain the effects of immune system of EMF on immune.

R Blank 43:10
Sure. So this one is so so let me answer it this way, the start answering it this way, which is EMF definitely impacts the immune system. Now it will impact the immune system differently for different people. And this is this is I’ve never tried to answer it this way. So I apologize if I’m a little stumbling. But EMF impacts everybody differently. That’s why with some people, you’ll have really bad. So you know, certain types of, you know, you’ll form a tumor and somebody else will feel nothing and somebody else, they’ll just have massive anxiety, right? It’s because EMF impacts so many different systems, which is something I think maybe I glossed over. But when I talk about EMF having all of these different potential negative health outcomes, the reason and not just in humans, but in all life on Earth. The reason that is true is because it impacts so many different biological systems, it doesn’t just impact the brain, it doesn’t just impact the reproductive organs. It doesn’t just impact our blood, it it can impact any of our systems for reasons which we can talk about later, if you would like. So it can impact different people differently. When it comes to the immune system. With some people, it can impact and create immuno suppressive impact. So in one of the studies that I’m thinking of right, the scientist was able to show that it actually had the same impact as taking immunosuppressive drugs, the type of drugs that you take, when for instance, you’re undergoing chemotherapy, and you need your body to just chill out so that those harmful things can do the harm. They’re just they’re supposed to do. But on the other hand, you have autoimmune disease, which is one of the areas of EMF exposure in health where there is some very compelling evidence, where exposure to certain certain types of EMF leads to higher incidence of autoimmune disease, which is when your immune system becomes so sensitive, it starts attacking yourself. And not only that, not only is there science showing that EMF causes autoimmune disease, there’s also science showing that using EMF protection products reduces or reverses autoimmune disease in people who suffer from it. Now, taking that even a step further, there’s a certain population called, often referred to as EH S, or electro hypersensitive.

Rebecca Hinson 45:46
Oh, I’ve seen I’ve seen a documentary on people like them,

R Blank 45:49
okay, yeah, there’s a couple of good ones. And, and what this is, this is a population. We don’t know for sure how big for reasons I’ll get into in a second here. But it’s a population who react. So you know, I can walk into a room and feel fine. Someone with EHS can walk into the same room, and have severe for lack of a better term allergic reactions to the same level of EMF that’s in that room. Those can include rashes, joint pain, migraines, and all sorts of symptoms that fit into that kind of broad category. And, and the reason it’s so hard Well, among the reasons why it’s so hard to know how many people have VHS is because it is a very poorly understood condition. And it is not officially recognized universally throughout the world. So for instance, you know, Sweden recognizes it, I believe, as a disability. But the rest of Europe, most of the rest of Europe does not. In there are a few institutions. The one that I always remember is the Women’s College in Toronto, that not only recognize it, but have a treatment regimen for it. But But when you’re talking about a condition that’s essentially new, and that is not universally accepted doctors who are practicing today we’re not taught about this, you know, in school, it becomes very hard to formally diagnose it and and then it becomes very hard to know how many people have it, it is estimated that it is anywhere from five to 30. Tablet, I believe, whatever that number is

Rebecca Hinson 47:29
that are you just cut out a little bit five to what I obviously we need 5g Sorry,

R Blank 47:34
no, no, no.

Rebecca Hinson 47:37
Dang it now. Now this is a sign I need 5g It’s not fast enough.

R Blank 47:42
Five, no five to 30% It was estimated that five to 30% of humanity suffers from EHS I believe it’s pretty apparent that whatever that number is, that number is growing, right? Because as the levels of EMF in our environment, just continue to grow every year, the number of people who are going to hit that threshold at which they start to experience these symptoms, will will just that will will grow as well. What I want to kind of highlight for your listeners is and we have we have we have a couple of really good episodes on this. And in my my podcast, the healthier tech podcast about EHS in particular. But for people who are suffering, right, there’s some people for whom it’s a minor inconvenience or minor discomfort. But there’s other people who have to up end their entire lives because the pain that they are experiencing is so great. And their sensitivity is so high that it is not possible for them to live in cities anymore. And they have to go fight and we were talking about this earlier, right, where it’s harder and harder and harder to find places where you don’t get these exposures. When you find one of those places, odds are there’s not going to be a job they’re waiting for you. So you have to you know, you have to really up end your entire life. A lot of these people aren’t even believed by their loved ones and their relatives. They think it’s a paranoia.

Rebecca Hinson 49:11
Yeah. That they they it was kind of like this is years ago, maybe five years ago. And and even the way it was presented on in the documentary was like, Is this real? You know? Or do they are they hypochondriac kind of thing?

R Blank 49:28
Yeah, that’s how they covered it and Better Call Saul. I don’t know if you watch that show better. Better Call Saul. Oh, no. Oh, that’s the spin off of Breaking Bad. Oh, no, I haven’t seen that. And the the main characters brother believes he has EHS and it’s kind of this running thing throughout the show. Whether he really does or if he’s just insane. But that’s kind of how it was perpetuating

Rebecca Hinson 49:50

R Blank 49:52
That’s that’s how a lot of beat and I mentioned it not not as a joke, but that’s actually how a lot of people have come to learn about this condition was through its portrayal and And

Rebecca Hinson 50:00
Oh, that’s good. Well, that’s one good thing come out of TV.

R Blank 50:07
So but that is a To me that is a very telling indicator about the impact on the immune system because and again, in effect that is an allergic response. And just a couple of notes on that before before we move on, the more damaged your immune system is from other conditions. So for instance, let’s say you have multiple chemical sensitivity or MCs, you are much more likely to have EHS and vice versa. If you have had Lyme disease, you’re much more likely to suffer from EHS. And so there’s, there’s this basically, and this is getting outside of my area of expertise. So I’ll just bring up the the idea and then move on. But basically, we’re talking about a certain toxic load a certain level of toxic load that once you reach it, you become much more susceptible to these toxins which include EMF radiation, yeah, I

Rebecca Hinson 51:01
talk about that a lot. I like the I use the analogy of you know, you have an elevator. And on your elevator, you have all kinds of different things, whether that’s, you know, stress from your job, your diet, you know, whatever is in your water, glyphosate, all these kinds of things. And if to it, that’s if your elevator gets too full, then it’s not gonna function. Right. So and that’s the same, the same idea of toxic load. And, and you talking about that, and people who have this, this issue, I mean, we are being bombarded everywhere, basically, and then with more EMF exposure, and, you know, obviously, the trajectory of that is going to increase, so we’re just gonna see it more just like every other disease that we have going on, you know, and, and going to autoimmune diseases, and I have experienced that, and this is why I started, the refined hippie in general was because I had my own health journey. And then when I did that, it was like people out of the woodworks it was like, everybody I knew almost had something wrong with them. And I was like, nobody’s talking about this.

R Blank 52:06
You know, it’s the same same situation with with my opinion with EHS right because some of these some of these symptoms that are reported with EHS, right, we’re talking about sleep disruption, we’re talking about anxiety.

Rebecca Hinson 52:19
So much anxiety right now,

R Blank 52:23
there’s so much of this in the world. So I don’t say this to say everyone with anxiety, it’s caused by EMF, but it’s not helping people out there. Ya know, there are people out there who have anxiety that is caused by EMF, and they don’t know it, they wouldn’t even think to suspect it. And so that’s why I believe the rates of incidence of EHS are actually higher than are reported, because there are so many chronic conditions to which we are just kind of becoming accustomed, like, oh, that’s life. Oh, that’s getting old. Oh, you know, maybe I need to have a less stressful job, or whatever it might be, and you don’t really suspect or have reason to suspect the toxins and the role that they are playing in your conditions.

Rebecca Hinson 53:08
I often say You know, it’s common versus normal. And there’s so many things that are now considered common that people don’t bat an eye but they’re not normal. You know, they’re they all these crazy things are becoming so common, and everybody’s like, Oh, well, she had that and she has this and I’m like, That’s not normal. Just because everybody has it now does it? Like why are we not asking the questions? Why is this happening? Why does so many people have these issues? No. And you talking about people? My friend had messaged me a couple of weeks ago actually in an asked specifically if I knew if there were more 5g towers in this certain area of town, because she was like, every time I go there, I get so anxious. She has like, insane anxiety. And I was like, I don’t know, but I mean, Oh,

R Blank 53:53
well. This remind me I can send you there’s a way you can map it. Oh,

Rebecca Hinson 53:58
I would love that and might be afraid also.

R Blank 54:01
I can put that into the show notes. Maybe.

Rebecca Hinson 54:03
Oh, yeah. Oh, people would love that. Thank you so much.

R Blank 54:07
But yeah, I feel honestly I don’t view myself particularly since I deal with with people who have real EHS I do not view myself as EMF sensitive at the same time, you know, I can’t sleep right when I go to a city anymore. And and you know, I feel like I feel wired I feel disturbed. I mean, I can function fine during the day but when I well eventually it starts to wear on me that I’m not getting good sleep and

Rebecca Hinson 54:34
then you’re there too long.

R Blank 54:37
But it really wears on on my my ability to sleep. And by the way, that is

Rebecca Hinson 54:44
Yeah. Is there one of those you know how they have little nets for for mosquitoes and stuff. Don’t they have them for EMF?

R Blank 54:51
Yeah, I have them in fact, I

Rebecca Hinson 54:53
mean, carry it. Carry it with you on your we have the one we have is

R Blank 54:57
reputable unfortunately Oh Didn’t your bedroom? Yeah. So but yeah, we have we have a range, a line, a growing line of EMF bed canopies that are lab tested against 5g as well as lower frequencies needs one of those. So thank you for the segue to actually yes. Forget to always forget to talk about my products in these. Oh, no. Well, I mean, indicating so much.

Rebecca Hinson 55:20
Well, your, your products speak for themselves just through you, you know, I mean, and then people will go down, and I have a friend who she was, she had messaged me about those canopy things. And now I’m like, maybe I need one of those. I think that fan is in the way. I don’t know, I gotta figure that out. Because I gotta make it work. I feel like give me all the things. I definitely was one of those people who used to put my laptop on my lap, like, all the time. And now I don’t I don’t do that. Or I mean, does it make a difference? If you put like a big pillow in between? Does that help?

R Blank 55:52
Any amount of distance helps. And I also make another product called the we call one of those? plainly enough the laptop pad? Yeah. And yeah, if afterwards, you send me your your shipping address, I’ll happily get you one. But it’s the laptop pad. And it’s designed to make it safer to use your laptop in your lap. Now, I want to make it clear, right? I just said make it safer, because there’s no form not so like zero. Yeah, there is no form of EMF protection that makes EMF safe, all you can try to do is make it safer by cutting the exposure. And so that’s what my laptop pad is designed to do, by putting an EMF shield in between your laptop and your lap. And I view that as most useful for people who don’t have. So for instance, if you need to use your laptop while you’re commuting, or while you’re flying, or when you’re on the road, that’s a really good set of use cases for something like like the SOP laptop had

Rebecca Hinson 56:50
to carry because it’s small and easy to put in. Yeah, putting a laptop case or whatever. Yeah. What about like a Faraday? It was it was a Faraday cage, or like a little sending pouch to put your phone in.

R Blank 57:04
So yeah. I always, I always forget to actually put these on my desk. So I had to go reach. I

Rebecca Hinson 57:13
think this is like the number one thing that everybody needs, to be quite honest, is like, Oh, I don’t know, what would if you had like, three things of what people should, should have as far as becoming safer. What would those be? Sure. So

R Blank 57:26
I’ll give you those three. But I will answer your question about the pouch. Because even though I don’t use this product, it is my number one selling product. And we actually have a new version coming out. So don’t tell anybody. Really, it’s really cool. So this pouch, you it’s designed to put your phone in the pouch, and then you put the pouch on your belt, or your in your pocket. And it’s designed to make it safer to carry your phone. Now, you mentioned a Faraday and a Faraday thing

Rebecca Hinson 57:57
can get out or in. Right. So this, like your phone will still work. You can still get calls or something. Wow, I

R Blank 58:04
knew exactly where I was going with this. Yes. So it’s the same fundamental technology as a Faraday cage. Right. So what what the British scientist Michael Faraday demonstrated back in, I believe, was 1836, almost 200 years ago, wait,

Rebecca Hinson 58:17
I didn’t know all this history. What I love

R Blank 58:22
is that if you weave conductive metals, certain conductive metals into certain patterns, it will block and deflect EMF radiation in the other direction, just like a window shade will block and deflect sunlight in the other direction. Now, you know, a lots happened since 1836. So we’ve gotten really good at you know, you don’t need like a fence kind of metal, you can actually use very thin metallic fibers and weave them into other fabrics. And so that is again, the same technology that we have in our phone pouch. And in most of my products, in fact, but as you pointed out the whole purpose, right, because if you if you wanted to silence your phone, or to get rid of the EMF completely and you were willing to silence your phone,

Rebecca Hinson 59:08
like nobody knows where you are, if you’re trying to go off the grid, you do

R Blank 59:12
that, right, just turn off your phone or put it into airplane mode, and then you don’t have to buy something. Also, when you’re putting an active phone inside a full Faraday pouch, and you haven’t disabled the phone in any way. It’s going to burn through the battery and be susceptible to overheating. Because the way these phones are designed to work is that if there’s interference, it will boost the

Rebecca Hinson 59:36
power trying harder. It will try harder.

R Blank 59:39
I never thought about that. And so that’s why sy B does not make what you would call a Faraday cage. Instead, we make this pouch where the back has the radiation shielding. So that’s the side that goes between your device and your body and the front doesn’t. So this deflects radiation away from your body while still allowing your Phone to communicate to send and receive text calls and so forth. So that is you asked about a pouch. And that is my number one selling product. But I don’t use that, because what I use is my sling bag. This is this is by far my favorite product. I love talking about the awesome. So this is the same exact concept. And in fact, same exact technology as the foam pouch, except as you can see, much bigger, much more functional. And so it has three compartments, the the entire back is is is lined with that special fabric that I was talking to you about. And I also want to point out, you know, we’ve, you know, there’s a lot of different kinds of EMF protection out there. And some of it, well, let’s just put, not all of it is based on science, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t work, I just want to be it’s not all based on science. And they make claims that aren’t really measurable. All of my products are are based off of universally accepted science, and we make measurable claims. So we have laboratory tests, independent laboratory testing of our products on our website. And I go beyond that right though, because I actually wrote a free ebook that people can download that tells them how they can test my products for themselves to verify performance. And so that so with that when we’re talking and that’s because the type of protection we’re talking about here shielding and it goes back to Michael Faraday that it’s just a universally accepted form of technology. So anyway, getting back to this, this sling bag, my favorite product, I It doesn’t only fit a phone, but it will fit a tablet, or a Kindle or an antenna switch. It also happens to fit my eyeglass case. So I

Rebecca Hinson 1:01:52
really like all your necessities. Yeah, and

R Blank 1:01:55
I don’t like putting my phone in my pocket even when it’s in airplane mode or even in a pouch. So yeah, this is a much better product. That’s awesome. And then the third product I would point out is too big to show you. But it is my my bed canopies. And now we just talked about how I don’t make full Faraday cages for for my products. That’s true for the products that are designed to to be working. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. But when it comes to things that are designed to protect your body, I do. And the bed canopies are the best example of that because they do form a full 360 by 360. Faraday cage and effect, because they are they include floor mats to go under under your sleeping area. So you get a full cage effect. Now, the reason for this product is because you know a lot a lot of the products that I make, and the ones I built the company off of originally, you know products, like the foam pouch, they’re designed to help reduce your exposure to sources of EMF radiation, that are actually in your control, right. So you can use the phone pouch, but you could also turn off your phone, you can use the laptop pad, but you could also just not put your laptop in your lap. There’s you know, there’s a lot of these things that that are important, right that these these sources that are close to us that are very important to either modify our behavior or use EMF protection or both. But then there’s a growing amount of this exposure that are from sources that are not in our control. So neighbor Wi Fi networks, smart meters on our home, or on the apartment building cell towers, and all of these sources. And you know, the more urban and area you live, the more of these there are. And actually shielding your whole apartment or your whole home is incredibly difficult is very expensive, it’s easy to get wrong. And once you do it even if you’re successful, you have to modify a lot of your behaviors in inside of your home because because you can’t be using EMF emitting technology once you’re inside of these things. So because of that I wanted to find a way to make it easier for people to protect themselves from sources not in their control. So that’s why we created the sob bed canopy. The canopy create now it’s not your whole apartment or your whole home. But it is your whole bed, which is where you spend a big chunk of each day and it’s a really important chunk of each day because you’re supposed to be regenerating, germinating, relaxing. And so by using a product like the SOP bed canopy, you can really make a huge difference against all of these sources of EMF radiation for a big chunk of your day. And so that’s why I’m I’m a big fan of of the bed canopy.

Rebecca Hinson 1:04:48
I love them. That was one I have. I have a bunch of questions from my community and one of them was about they were concerned about, you know, emf in in a park Windsor condos are their neighbors in general, if you live in a suburban area, and obviously everybody has their own Wi Fi, and everybody has all their own things admitting. So the canopy would probably be like your number one thing.

R Blank 1:05:12
Yeah, we’ll also take this Yes, for sure. That is really the only kind of product that you could get to address that sort of thing. Absent hiring an EMF expert to come and do a kind of a larger scale custom shielding implementation. But I’d also take this moment to remind your listener, that it still matters what that listener does, in in his or her own apartment, or condo, or whatever it is. So even if you see 20 Wi Fi networks, which I understand how frustrating that can be, still turn off your own Wi Fi at night, or switch even better. But I know a lot of people don’t do this. And that’s I understand why switch to Ethernet and corded internet for your for your home or apartment. But it it’s important not to write to lose the forest for the trees. You want to control those things that you can control, even when there’s a bunch of things that you can’t control out there.

Rebecca Hinson 1:06:11
For sure. Yeah, I’ve seen some EMF products of for apartments that. Like, there’s these big things that you put on the back of paintings or something, you know, to shield?

R Blank 1:06:22
Oh, you know? Yeah.

Rebecca Hinson 1:06:25
So that’s a good thing, then. Okay.

R Blank 1:06:27
Yeah. Well, I mean, again, you know, it’s just, yeah, it has to be real technology. Yeah. But then you also have to use it, the way it’s designed to be used this is. And so what do I mean by that? I mean, like, I talked about the phone pouch already. And how, you know, it’s designed to make it safer to carry your phone in your pocket, because the back is shielded? The front isn’t? And what why am I saying that again? Now? Well, because, you know, if you put your phone in your pouch, and then put the pouch on your nightstand, you know, lay flat to sleep with it, it is not protecting you in that, right? Because the shielding has to be between the phone and your body. You can’t just buy a piece of EMF protection, even if it’s real EMF protection, and just expect it to work, you know, make the tech safe, you have to use it exactly how it’s intended to be used. And so the product and I don’t know if you were talking about my product or somebody else’s,

Rebecca Hinson 1:07:22
but mine in general. Yeah, yeah. I didn’t know that you had one. But that’s yeah, we

R Blank 1:07:27
call it the poster frame liner. And it’s boring name, I know. But it’s because we cut it, we cut it and size it to the sizes of standard poster frames. So for instance, 18 by 2424 by 36. And so we designed it so that it can go into any frame that you might buy at the store. And so you can put, you know, big piece of shielding up on your wall or multiple pieces. And no one would know that it’s shielding, because you’re putting in your own art your own photograph your own print in there. And that is you know, where that kind of protection comes into play is when there is for instance, a smart meter right on the other side of the wall, or a Wi Fi router, right on the other side of the wall, you can then provide provide some shielding, that deflects the radiation away from where you and your family are spending time.

Rebecca Hinson 1:08:16
My Wi Fi is in a closet. And in my mind, I like should I. Okay, so if you turn it off at night, this might be a dumb question. But then when you turn it back on, do you have to like sign into everything else again?

R Blank 1:08:32
Do you know not in my experience? Okay. Okay, well, it’s supposed to just reconnect. And in fact, you can put it on a timer, right? The kind like, you know, if you’re going away on a trip, and you put a timer and so your lights go on and off, you can put your Wi Fi router into that same kind of timer, have it turn off it whenever, you know, your family stops using internet and have it turned back on, you know, 20 minutes before you start using internet and then just happens automatically.

Rebecca Hinson 1:09:00
Mm hmm. Yeah, I need to do that my my cats, there’s a little spot in our closet where one of my cats in particular in the winter, she likes to take a little nap in there. And I’m like, I don’t want to sleep in there. It’s going on and it’s like right beside her and I’m like, that’s probably not good. So yeah, I need to figure out how to do something about that. Okay, I’m gonna ask you this is gonna we’re going to do a little like q&a, because I have several questions from the refined hippie community. That and they might your answers might be kind of repetitive because we have kind of addressed I think some of these to some extent. Well, one of them is if you have an orange marker that they installed in your front yard. Is that a 5g antenna? And should we be worried enough to move I have seen some pictures of that. It’s like, it’s like cylinder. Have you seen that? No, I

R Blank 1:09:53
don’t know what Yeah, I don’t

Rebecca Hinson 1:09:55
I had seen one post about it. Maybe a couple months ago, and I’m not really sure Hear what it is either. So

R Blank 1:10:01
yeah, I mean, I will say a couple of things that I can say in response to that. One is that 5g antennas do look very, very different from 4g, and 3g, and so forth. It because it’s such a different technology. So unless you’re actively looking for it, you won’t see it. Like you can drive past a 4g tower and say, Oh, my gosh, there’s a real cell tower. With 5g, there’s so much smaller, but they tend to be mounted, so they won’t be just on the ground, it’ll be mounted higher up. So like on the top of a light pole, on the top of a traffic light on the top of a building. And that’s where you tend to see them. And, but they they’re much smaller. It’s just like a, it’s like a kind of a post. But again, generally mounted up higher.

Rebecca Hinson 1:10:46
Yeah, I think this is their short, and it’s orange, and it looks like a post, but it’s not I don’t know, I don’t know what it say if it says anything on it, or I don’t know, I don’t know, either. Well, well, in general, if somebody lived beside a 5g tower, like, should they move? I don’t know, I’ve seen these videos of like birds attacking 5g towers and things like that, like?

R Blank 1:11:10
Well, so what I would recommend, because I’m not in a, you know, it’s not my business to tell people to move. I

Rebecca Hinson 1:11:15
know, I know. I mean, it’s kind of hard to say like, No, you should move like no, if you

R Blank 1:11:19
care about EMF exposure. And this is this goes beyond just a 5g tower question. If you care about EMF exposure, you need to get a decent meter and learn how to test. So I, as I mentioned before, I have a free ebook for that, which I’ll give you after this, I’ll give you the link. So you maybe you can put it in the show notes. But it’s on my website at shield, your body.com. And it I recommend a whole bunch of different EMF meters, I don’t make or sell them. And I don’t get any affiliate commissions or anything. It’s my honest opinion about the meters I recommend. And then I explained how to use them what the units mean, what different organizations call to be, you know, safe and unsafe levels. And it’s a really good resource. But it really is important for anyone who’s who cares about their EMF exposure, that’s the only way that you’re going to know what it actually is. Because there are certain things that you know, you shouldn’t do, right, like carrying your phone in your pocket. But beyond that, right EMF, it’s odorless, it’s invisible, you can’t touch see smell, taste it right. It’s the only way you can know how much there is getting one of these tools that of sufficient quality, you know, a $30 meter off of Amazon isn’t going to do much for you. But if you use one of these meters of sufficient quality, which means spending about 150 bucks, you can that’s the way that you can figure out how much EMF is around you. And even if there is a 5g tower right outside your window, that still may not be your biggest source of exposure. And you know this closer Yeah, like you’re saying, and they’re, you know, I give this I tell this story that happened to me it was a couple of years ago, I was an Airbnb. And I took out my meter and sort of measuring I measured these electric fields that were just crazy high. And I was like, What is going on here? And long story short, I traced it down. It was a DVD player that was plugged into the entertainment system. Like this makes no sense. I was a DVD player causing this, but But I unplugged it and I was fine. I would have had no idea that we weren’t even gonna watch any DVDs. I mean, come on. 2020. Hey, I still have DVDs. Okay. I’m never getting rid of it. We’re traveling. We didn’t bring our

Rebecca Hinson 1:13:34
Yeah, we take all the movies we might want to watch.

R Blank 1:13:38
But, but yeah, that’s an example. Because I would have had no idea that and it was really high, like it was weirdly high. And just unplugging it allowed me to get rid of that bad exposure. And so meters really mattered learning how to get a good one and learn how to use it. That is That is my response. And then so for the person who asked about the tower, you know, take the measurements, see what levels we’re actually talking about here. Is it something you know, that you find concerning and then then maybe consider moving?

Rebecca Hinson 1:14:07
That’s a great idea. I love that. And I want one of those meter things?

R Blank 1:14:12
That I can’t send you because I don’t know if I understand.

Rebecca Hinson 1:14:19
Okay, this is actually from me, because I have and either way, it looks cute if it doesn’t work if it doesn’t do anything, but is there any validity to shung guide or crystals?

R Blank 1:14:29
So that is one I have? And maybe maybe I will just making a note here to send this to you afterwards as well. So I’m asked this type of question quite a bit. And the way I answer it is, at least as far as I know, with shung guide and certainly with most of the other stuff we’re talking about in this broad group. There is no science to support the claims of efficacy. Um, now I want to be clear, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t work, right? Because there’s a lot of stuff that science can’t explain or can’t explain yet. So it’s not just that, you know, so when I say it doesn’t

Rebecca Hinson 1:15:11
mean just because there’s no science on it doesn’t mean yeah, I totally get it.

R Blank 1:15:14
But when it comes to EMF and the work I do with shield your body, I focus very much on this kind of stuff that is based on demonstrable science and makes demonstrable product claims. So like, you know, my sling bag, I say it blocks up to 99.9% of EMF radiation. I do that because it’s been lab tested. And I can prove it. But when it comes to have a shunga

Rebecca Hinson 1:15:39
bracelet, because you’re like, how can you back that up?

R Blank 1:15:43
Exactly? Yeah. Again, I don’t discourage anybody from using them. And they told me Yeah, and there are people who tell me it works for them. And that’s great. So that is that is my, you know, I get shung guide orgonite. I get that about neutralizers and Harmonizers. And the types of stickers that you can find online. That

Rebecca Hinson 1:16:04
was that other thing? That’s, yeah, yeah. I don’t even know what it’s called. It’s like, it looks like they’re expensive. I don’t know what what is that thing called?

R Blank 1:16:14
Whatever it is, I think you’re about to say a brand name. So I don’t want

Rebecca Hinson 1:16:17
to say it. But yeah, I’m not I don’t I don’t want to put you on the spot for that. But you know, a lot of people in the wellness community are like, You should buy this. And then of course, they get like, a kickback or whatever. And then I looked it up, I’m like this, these are $800. Like what to?

Like, wow. Great, then you can just throw that around, but whatever.

Yeah, so Well, at least they they, you know, this one was $15. So I didn’t lose that much if it doesn’t do anything. So the other question, this is actually an interesting question. Because I have been thinking about this. I kind of want a house phone again, just because I would like to have to be able to turn my phone off. And the people who I really care about can call me on the house phone. But is that any? Is that any

R Blank 1:17:06
better? No landline? For sure. As long as it’s not a cordless phone?

Rebecca Hinson 1:17:11
Right? Okay. cordless phone would still would it be the same amount or less?

R Blank 1:17:18
I know it’s been No, it’s not hard to say I just I’m so not on top of that anymore. I do. No. Because no, no. Like, no one has landlines? No, but I kind of want what I liked. I have I have a landline. I have a landline. But not a cordless.

Rebecca Hinson 1:17:33
I’m still has a landline. You know,

R Blank 1:17:35
I mean, I think I remember the right answer to this. But I don’t want to say the wrong thing. So it depends on the technology. But because there’s different protocols. There’s different standards for cordless phones. But I will say that cordless phones, in practice, at least certain types can emit much more radiation than a cell phone. And so you want to because just because of the way they work and the proximity to where people spend their time, and so forth. That’s why I say in practice, I can expose you to more radiation than a cell phone. And so you definitely want a landline, a corded phone for your landline. If your goal is to reduce your EMF exposure,

Rebecca Hinson 1:18:18
you just have to get one of those really, really long cords, you know, yeah, spiral. Do you want to move around?

R Blank 1:18:25
I prefer Yeah.

Rebecca Hinson 1:18:30
Oh, man. Okay. Um, I mean, I have I have some other ones here. I mean, but I think some of the other questions we’ve kind of already covered, you know, how to protect yourself. And it’s a lot of questions on how to protect yourself about things which we’ve already kind of kind of gone over that about, you know, your neighbors or, you know, people sitting at a job surrounded by computers. I think your answer would probably be similar to what we’ve already been.

R Blank 1:18:57
Yeah. So out in the world, right. So we talked about the types of protecting yourself against the types of sources that you control. And we talked about, for instance, the canopy as a way to protect against things that are aren’t in your control. So the gap there is how do you protect yourself against sources you can’t control when you are out in the real world. So you’re, you’re not in bed at night. And really the only solution for that sort of thing is EMF shielding apparel. So for instance, we make a baseball cap, we make a neck gator. Do you know what a neck? Yes, yes. Yeah, yeah. We make men’s underwear. We make a bandana. We’re working on more and more of these products, because apparel is the only way to protect yourself against sources that you can’t control. But when you’re out in the real world, now I want to make it clear to people like just putting on a base, you know, an SOB baseball cap. That does not make it safe. Because the way all of these apparel products work is they protect the part of your body that they recovering. So if you have the baseball cap on, yes, that’s important. And it’s good, you know, you want to protect the brain. But, but it leaves the whole rest of your imagined cloak, loaded up on all this EMF shielding, equip apparel, you’re still going to have exposed parts of your body. So it’s not a perfect solution, but it is the only form of protection for being out in the real world and against these sources that aren’t in your control.

Rebecca Hinson 1:20:27
Excellent. I think we have a lot of great tools here. I mean, you’ve you’ve explained so much, I feel like I need to whenever I read listen to this, I’m going to take notes, you know, I think everybody should. So thank you so much for coming on. I tell everyone how they can. I mean, I’m going to put in the show notes anyways. But you, you know, you can tell everybody how they can find you or you know, anything new that you’d have in the works, or?

R Blank 1:20:57
Yeah, sure. So Well, the best place to find me is if shield your body.com, that shield your body, all one word.com. Obviously, we have my store there, so you can browse my products. But it’s actually a tremendous amount of free information. Because we’re an education focused company, we’re talking about hundreds of articles, a dozen ebooks, dozens of videos on all sorts of topics related to EMF and EMF protection. And right there at the top of shield your body.com is a free guide to with the top five things that you can do for free to reduce your exposure, why they are so important. So you can just get that right up at my website. We’re also shield your body on YouTube and Instagram. Now, one other thing I’d point out to point people to is on my podcast, which is the healthier tech podcast, which touches on issues of EMF but also gets into broader discussions and questions about our relationship with technology and how to build a healthier one. And then people can find it healthier tech.co or the healthier tech podcast on all the major podcasting platforms.

Rebecca Hinson 1:22:04
I can’t wait to listen to that. I wish we could have touched on touch on that. But I think we could probably or I could sit here and pick your brain all day. So we got to wrap it up sometime.

R Blank 1:22:15
No, no, it’s been super pleasant. I really appreciate this opportunity. Awesome. Well, thank

Rebecca Hinson 1:22:19
you so much for coming on. This really was it was educational and fun. And I really appreciate you coming on.

R Blank 1:22:25
Thank you for having me. I also appreciate the opportunity to talk about this stuff with with you and your audience.

Rebecca Hinson 1:22:30
Thank you. Thanks so much. Oh my gosh, it I learned a lot from that episode. I feel more inspired to take charge when it comes to EMF and my exposure. And also just being more conscious about my daily interactions with technology. I think that because of the increasing exposure to this type of radiation, we’re gonna see a lot of really intense things in the future. So we got to nip it in the bud now and try to protect ourselves and our family the best we can which is what we talked about here on every episode as ways that we can help ourselves in the planet in all different facets of health and wellness. So thank you so much for joining me on this episode. Of course as always, I appreciate you so much. And until next time, my lovely friend, peace implants.

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R Blank is the CEO of Shield Your Body, which he founded in 2012. With hundreds of thousands of customers in over 30 countries, and having been interviewed on platforms including Dr. Phil, ABC news television and ElectricSense, R is an internationally followed expert on issues of EMF, health and safety. He also hosts “The Healthier Tech Podcast”, available iTunes, Spotify and all major podcasting platforms. In the past, he served on the faculty at the University of Southern California Viterbi School of Engineering as well as the University of California, Santa Cruz. Previously, R ran a software engineering firm in Los Angeles, producing enterprise-level solutions for blue chip clients including Medtronic, Apple, NBC, Toyota, Disney, Microsoft, the NFL, Ford, IKEA and Mattel. He has spoken at conferences around the world, including in the US, Canada, New Zealand and the Netherlands, and he is the co-author, along with his father Dr. Martin Blank, of ‘Overpowered‘ from Seven Stories Press about the science of health effects of EMF radiation. He has an MBA from the UCLA Anderson School of Management and received his bachelor’s degree, with honors, from Columbia University. He has also studied at Cambridge University in the UK; the University of Salamanca in Spain; and the Institute of Foreign Languages in Nizhny Novgorod, Russia. Read more about R and SYB or connect with R on LinkedIn.

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